ANOTHER Obama Success Story – Flag of Al-Qaeda Flies Over Fallujah

[truth_seeker]

You've got to be kidding me.

Nukes are used when you want to kill civilians and economies.  There is nothing humanitarian about it.  Geesh!

Excuse me. The use of nukes by Truman to end WWII was chosen, because it reduced the loss of BOTH American combatants' and Japanese civilians'' lives.

Reducing loss of life is humanitarian. It is in the history books, if they are good.

BTW you need to kill civilians, in some circumstances.

After more than 12 years since 9-11-2001 we have failed to defeat Islamic terrorists, and we are walking away from the war, for the most part.

We might have killed more civilians and forced them to surrender.

[Fishrrman]

[[ A waste of American blood and treasure. That's what this is, a waste. ]]

I was saying as much years ago, over on "that other site".

[[ What's the lesson? I say it's that military intervention cannot reconcile Islam. ]]

The point of "military intervention" should never have been to "reconcile islam" in the first place -- any more than our intervention in World War II was intended to "reconcile Nazism".

The point of military intervention should have been to DISMANTLE islam, and replace it with something else.

I realized our efforts in the Middle East were doomed to failure the day the [new] Iraqi government adopted a new Constitution which stated islam to be the official state religion.

Meet the new boss.
Same as the old boss.
The "boss", in islamic nations, is not the government or the strongman of the day.
The boss is a guy whose name starts with "m" and who actually has been dead for 1,400 years.
If you want a Middle Eastern world that no longer poses a threat to The West, THAT"S "the boss" that has to be gotten rid of.

[[ Muslim adherents must come to modernity on their own, through an expanded world view. ]]

Never going to happen.
Repeat, never.

[aligncare]

Fishrrman, I get your point. And to an extent, I agree.

However,

The point of military intervention should have been to DISMANTLE Islam, and replace it with something else

... would have been impossible and irrational. I understand your contempt for muslims. I, too, sometimes succumb to feeling hatred when I read about the intolerance and brutality of jihadists. But, that's a wrong mindset. Not all Muslims are radical Islamists. I have many patients who are practicing Muslims and they are good people.

Launching a religious counter crusade is not the answer. With 2 billion Muslims worldwide we have to find a way to coexist. Ultimately it's Muslims that will have to fix jihad, not the 1st Cavalry.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I take another, and quite different, lesson from this which is that limited, not fully committed to wars with highly restrictive rules of engagement NEVER end well!

If it's worth going to war over it's worth winning as quickly and efficiently as possible while leaving no doubt as to who the boss is!!

 

[olde north church]

Hiroshima, Nagasaki ended a war, and it has stayed ended.

The muslims effectively dared us to use nukes, but we seem unable, unwilling to do so.

Nukes are humanitarian. They save lives.

It took to this post to get it right.  No "boots on the ground".  No "collateral damage".  We pay the taxes, we are all guilty.  Henry David Thoreau had it right.
Starting at Algeria stop at Indonesia and every muslim Hell hole in between and don't stop until the glow takes on a nice comfortable chartreuse.

[aligncare]

By 2030 the global population is set to reach over 8 billion and 26.4% of that population will be Muslim.



It feels good to vent. I often engage in it myself. But, it doesn't accomplish much.

[kevindavis007]

This makes me physically ill.

This makes me puke..  We left way to soon.

[Bigun]

By 2030 the global population is set to reach over 8 billion and 26.4% of that population will be Muslim.



It feels good to vent. I often engage in it myself. But, it doesn't accomplish much.

That means there will be around 2 billion Muslims of which, if the current ratios hold, .04% (about 8 Million) will be Wahhabi (radicals) so do we just kill all 2 Billion to get at the 8 Million who are the troublemakers?

[Bigun]

This makes me puke..  We left way to soon.

One of them got elected president so no one should be surprised at the result.

[kevindavis007]

One of them got elected president so no one should be surprised at the result.

I'm not surprised at all either.

[SouthTexas]

How long before we are fighting them on our doorstep?

Of course, that's ignoring Boston because we haven't had any terrorist attacks since the 'one' came into office.

[kevindavis007]

How long before we are fighting them on our doorstep?

Of course, that's ignoring Boston because we haven't had any terrorist attacks since the 'one' came into office.

My gut feeling is that they are planning something big... I wonder if the Boston bombing was a trial run??

[Fishrrman]

[[ How long before we are fighting them on our doorstep? ]]

Since January 20, 2009?

We're "fighting them in the White House" right now.

[SouthTexas]

My gut feeling is that they are planning something big... I wonder if the Boston bombing was a trial run??

Everything really points that way doesn't it? 

[SouthTexas]

[[ How long before we are fighting them on our doorstep? ]]

Since January 20, 2009?

We're "fighting them in the White House" right now.

LOL, OK I'll give you that one.

[kevindavis007]

Everything really points that way doesn't it?

I think so...

[SouthTexas]

I think so...

It's sad that our leaders cannot, or more aptly, won't see this. 

[andy58-in-nh]

The Obama Administration has adopted an official policy line that refuses to recognize as a member of "al-Qaeda" any organization or affiliate that is distinct from the one run by Ayman al Zawahiri, no matter how deep its ties to the parent organization. The recent New York Times whitewash piece on Benghazi followed the same reasoning, refusing to pursue the many individuals with known links to such organizations who were involved with the uprising that led to the deaths of four Americans in that incident.

By pretending that these decentralized organizations are somehow not sharing resources or coordinating their activities, the Administration and its State Department are able to pretend, publicly, that the "War on Terror" is over, or at least the enemy (which still cannot be named as what it is: radical Islam) has been effectively marginalized.

Meanwhile, America's young soldiers keep dying in a war that has no clear mission or measurable objectives, and which our own government denies has anything to do with what we all know damned well it has to do with.