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Offline Rapunzel

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« on: January 04, 2014, 08:18:28 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2014, 08:20:32 PM »
and get rid of some of these worthless degrees. I forget who they were discussing earlier this week on Real News that had a degree no one had even heard of..... and the lack of intelligent discourse from the person in question was no surprise based on their degree.  We don't need to study things like sex in college. At the current cost of a college degree it better be for something useable not frivolous.

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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2014, 08:38:11 PM »
and get rid of some of these worthless degrees. I forget who they were discussing earlier this week on Real News that had a degree no one had even heard of..... and the lack of intelligent discourse from the person in question was no surprise based on their degree.  We don't need to study things like sex in college. At the current cost of a college degree it better be for something useable not frivolous.

Hey, maybe you didn't! I majored in it.  :tongue2:

Hopefully massadvj will weigh in from the sharp end, but I do have a small problem with defining frivolous.

Painting pictures on a ceiling is frivolous. Spending weeks attacking a block of marble with hammer and chisel is frivolous. Spending months creating a world in your head and describing that world on paper is frivolous. Yet all are valued.
Spending valuable teaching time playing with weights or looking at the sky was once deemed frivolous. The preserve of the rich, who can have their odd hobbies because they can afford them, yet look how that turned out. You never know what is going to be important.
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2014, 08:43:06 PM »
Hey, maybe you didn't! I majored in it.  :tongue2:

Hopefully massadvj will weigh in from the sharp end, but I do have a small problem with defining frivolous.

Painting pictures on a ceiling is frivolous. Spending weeks attacking a block of marble with hammer and chisel is frivolous. Spending months creating a world in your head and describing that world on paper is frivolous. Yet all are valued.
Spending valuable teaching time playing with weights or looking at the sky was once deemed frivolous. The preserve of the rich, who can have their odd hobbies because they can afford them, yet look how that turned out. You never know what is going to be important.

Play around with majors which are unusable in the real world all you want if you have bottomless pockets and don't mind scrounging for a paying job.   You can't discharge student loans in bankruptcy and they are pretty stringent about expecting them to be paid back.  Many of these kids should be going to a trade school.

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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2014, 08:47:25 PM »
My niece expects to graduate this June in four years with a degree majoring in biology. She is not yet sure if she will become a Physicians Assistant, or an MD.

Her brother is majoring in business, intending to take over the family contracting business.

Both at Northern Arizona University. She told me the liberal bias is pervasive. She further said that when confronted with solid conservative arguments, the liberal students and professors simply fade into trite name calling, etc.

Their father, a multi-millionaire, makes them work part time.
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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2014, 08:51:11 PM »
Play around with majors which are unusable in the real world all you want if you have bottomless pockets and don't mind scrounging for a paying job.   You can't discharge student loans in bankruptcy and they are pretty stringent about expecting them to be paid back.  Many of these kids should be going to a trade school.

Yes. They should. On that we totally agree.

Me - I blame college football. Won't dispute that a lot of football players are pretty smart, but retaining them meant offering low load, minimal work courses. If the courses are there, you can hardly have 2 guys in a class, so others got to sign up. It built from there.
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2014, 10:33:47 PM »
Play around with majors which are unusable in the real world all you want if you have bottomless pockets and don't mind scrounging for a paying job.   You can't discharge student loans in bankruptcy and they are pretty stringent about expecting them to be paid back.  Many of these kids should be going to a trade school.

Student loans should be dischargeable in bankruptcy after a reasonable period of time, and after that should be dischargeable on the same basis that garden variety business loans are dischargeable.

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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2014, 10:41:06 PM »
Many of these kids should be going to a trade school.

But national leaders have told teens and families that EVERYBODY can go to college.

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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2014, 08:49:37 AM »
I believe I made that analogy on this very board just a few days ago, to-wit, young people getting in debt to buy a Cadillac when all they needed was a Chevy. With regard to college degrees in sex, wymyn's studies and the like, it's more like buying a Ferrari without no engine. Pretty darn useless.
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2014, 09:39:01 AM »
I believe I made that analogy on this very board just a few days ago, to-wit, young people getting in debt to buy a Cadillac when all they needed was a Chevy. With regard to college degrees in sex, wymyn's studies and the like, it's more like buying a Ferrari without no engine. Pretty darn useless.

You mean lesbian studies???
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2014, 09:41:30 AM »
There is nothing wrong with vocational education and it is a shame that many schools dropped it.  Here is what I'm seeing:

1. There are kids who are going to college just to party
2. There are kids who are going to college who really can't handle it.

It seems that the Government is propping up big ed..
To Clear things up...

Mueller has been one of the most respected individuals on the planet over the last 20 years.

Mueller is a Republican

Mueller was appointed by Republicans

Mueller doesn't determine if someone is guilty, The Judge and Jury do!

Get it!!!!

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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2014, 09:52:30 AM »
There is nothing wrong with vocational education and it is a shame that many schools dropped it.  Here is what I'm seeing:

1. There are kids who are going to college just to party
2. There are kids who are going to college who really can't handle it.

It seems that the Government is propping up big ed..

Yep!  In Germany there is a long standing system of apprenticeships with major manufacturers who take on school age students to learn the basics of heavy industries from the ground up.  Young high school students could well find themselves on the floor of a steel mill, foundry, or any other heavy industry that participates.  It gives the businesses an enormous pool of talent to draw from, saves them a fortune in training costs and ensures them a steady, highly qualified work force far into the future.  It also significantly lowers unemployment among youths and steers many of them into the path of a well paid career for life.  I'm sure the German government participates in some manner in all of this as well, but I am unsure of the exact details, and it probably differs from German State to German State.

I do agree that our government and higher ed system in this country is propping up tenured professors who make a lot of money teaching subjects that contribute little or nothing to our economy except ever rising levels of staggering student debt.

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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2014, 09:55:57 AM »
But national leaders have told teens and families that EVERYBODY can go to college.

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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2014, 10:15:18 AM »
Play around with majors which are unusable in the real world all you want if you have bottomless pockets and don't mind scrounging for a paying job.   You can't discharge student loans in bankruptcy and they are pretty stringent about expecting them to be paid back.  Many of these kids should be going to a trade school.

Have a grandson that is actually taking welding in high school. Problems there too, the first several weeks, all they got was OSHA regulations.  That is something that will really peak a teenagers interests!



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