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« on: January 04, 2014, 09:08:36 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2014, 09:46:43 AM »
This makes me physically ill.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2014, 09:50:34 AM »
This makes me physically ill.

Me too....

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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2014, 10:20:48 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2014, 10:27:00 AM »
One: What kind of support is America ever going to get from locals anywhere in Africa or the M.E.? The first thing the Taliban and Al Queda do, as in North Vietnam, is they kill anyone who had anything to do with the American forces. This kind of vacillation encourages locals to support the people we are fighting, knowing that they will eventually defeat the Americans and return.
 
Two: What kind of red blooded American is going to want to get involved in one of these misadventures? You do not know exactly who the enemy is, which side you are on, or why you are there. Who is benefiting from this? and how and why? I believe that we are as far afield from "protecting America's security" today, as we have ever been. In fact, we seem to be on the side of the terrorists.
 
If we see "a threat to America", we should deploy, destroy it, and come home. That is what it is, or should be, all about. These perpetual never ending wars accomplish nothing. This idea of nation building and trying 'make them like us' is not war. I don't know what it is?
 
Bottom line is as a soldier today, you never know what the true agenda is, who exactly it is that you are fighting or why. Since Bush really, and much more so under Obama, it has been murky and chaotic to be an American fighting man. And just like they used to say in the TV show 'mission impossible', "America will disavow any knowledge of your actions should you be killed or captured."
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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2014, 10:35:59 AM »
This makes me physically ill.

Me to! And I can only imagine what it is doing to those who were there and watched their friends bleed and die for nothing thanks to Barrack Hussein Obama!

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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2014, 10:55:50 AM »
I take another, and quite different, lesson from this which is that limited, not fully committed to wars with highly restrictive rules of engagement NEVER end well!

If it's worth going to war over it's worth winning as quickly and efficiently as possible while leaving no doubt as to who the boss is!!

EXACTLY....if you go to war go to win and stop tying the military's hands!

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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2014, 11:07:05 AM »
EXACTLY....if you go to war go to win and stop tying the military's hands!

AMEN!!

I'd like to add that I don't think what our troops did in Iraq was a 'waste.'  I believe the great amount of good we did in the cause of liberty has now been squandered, but for the time our troops were there, protecting, defeating evil and giving the Iraqi people a chance for freedom, and trying to build an ally in the middle of an enemy region, they were successful.

It is Barack Hussein Obama who has given over the country to al Qaeda.

Deliberately.
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2014, 11:09:59 AM »
Me to! And I can only imagine what it is doing to those who were there and watched their friends bleed and die for nothing thanks to Barrack Hussein Obama!

This hurts.

But I don't believe their sacrifice was 'for nothing.'  The success they had has been thrown down the drain, but they DID succeed.
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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2014, 11:10:18 AM »
It is Barack Hussein Obama who has given over the country to al Qaeda.

Deliberately.

If I didn't say that I sure meant to!

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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2014, 11:19:22 AM »
EXACTLY....if you go to war go to win and stop tying the military's hands!

Unfortunately, our government hasn't let that happen in a very long time.  We haven't won a war since.  Now, under Obama it is worse than it has ever been.  We are spending our treasure to help Al Qaeda, I'm afraid - and I think that is exactly what Obama and his people want!
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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2014, 11:41:38 AM »
If I didn't say that I sure meant to!

 :amen:

I knew that!  :patriot:
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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2014, 12:14:06 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2014, 12:37:47 PM »
This makes me physically ill.

Same here. My first tears of the New Year.

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« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2014, 12:51:56 PM »
Hiroshima, Nagasaki ended a war, and it has stayed ended.

The muslims effectively dared us to use nukes, but we seem unable, unwilling to do so.

Nukes are humanitarian. They save lives.
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« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2014, 12:57:40 PM »
This makes me physically ill.
Me too  **nononono*


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« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2014, 01:31:03 PM »
I take another, and quite different, lesson from this which is that limited, not fully committed to wars with highly restrictive rules of engagement NEVER end well!

If it's worth going to war over it's worth winning as quickly and efficiently as possible while leaving no doubt as to who the boss is!!

I believe the Soviets tried that in Afghanistan. How much better did that turn out for them?

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« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2014, 01:44:09 PM »
I take another, and quite different, lesson from this which is that limited, not fully committed to wars with highly restrictive rules of engagement NEVER end well!

If it's worth going to war over it's worth winning as quickly and efficiently as possible while leaving no doubt as to who the boss is!!

I believe the Soviets tried that in Afghanistan. How much better did that turn out for them?

Gotta go with Bigun on this one. I don't recall how this applies to Afghanistan or how things turned out for the Russians.
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« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2014, 05:32:49 PM »
I believe the Soviets tried that in Afghanistan. How much better did that turn out for them?

We should have kept bombing Afghanistan into glass ... at least the locations of all the warlords.  I also think we should have taken more, not less, control in Iraq once we had AQ on the run and taken over the oil.. on that I agree with Donald Trump.

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« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2014, 06:26:16 PM »

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« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2014, 07:08:28 PM »
It is futile to assume muslims are capable of anything resembling western style civilization, peaceful coexistence, etc.

Brutal dictatorship has been shown to work best, but we have insisted on toppling those dictators.
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« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2014, 10:09:34 PM »
Hiroshima, Nagasaki ended a war, and it has stayed ended.

The muslims effectively dared us to use nukes, but we seem unable, unwilling to do so.

Nukes are humanitarian. They save lives.

You've got to be kidding me.

Nukes are used when you want to kill civilians and economies.  There is nothing humanitarian about it.  Geesh!
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