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Via Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/02/us-malaysia-religion-idUSBREA010C120140102

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(Reuters) - Islamic authorities in Malaysia on Thursday seized 321 Bibles from a Christian group because they used the word Allah to refer to God, signaling growing intolerance that may inflame ethnic and religious tension in the Southeast Asian country.

The raid comes after a Malaysian court in October ruled that the Arabic word was exclusive to Muslims, most of whom are ethnic Malays, the largest ethnic group in the country alongside sizeable Christian, Hindu and Buddhist minorities.

That ruling overturned a court decision that allowed a Roman Catholic newspaper printed in Malay, the country's national language, to use Allah.

The change has heightened concern that religious authorities, which issue rulings for Muslims and operate alongside civil courts, now have more legal muscle.

Analysts say new rulings that affect non-Muslims could be a way of deflecting anger against Prime Minister Najib Razak's government from poor Malay Muslims over subsidy cuts likely to force up electricity, petrol and sugar prices.

On Thursday, the top Islamic authority in the richest and most populous state of Selangor seized the Malay-language Bibles from the Bible Society. The society said authority officials escorted two of its officials to a police station to make statements after which they were released on bail.

"We were told that we were under investigation for breaking a Selangor state law banning non-Muslims from using the word Allah," said Bible Society of Malaysia Chairman Lee Min Choon.

The raid is a marked escalation from the occasional seizure at border checkpoints of Bibles imported from Indonesia. It was the first time Islamic authorities have entered premises belonging to a Christian organization to carry out a raid.

Christians from Malaysia's rural states of Sabah and Sarawak in Borneo, who have used the word Allah for centuries, have moved in droves to Selangor and other parts of peninsular Malaysia in recent years to look for work.

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The main political party within Najib's ruling coalition, the United Malays National Organisation (UMNO), said its Selangor members would protest at all churches in the state on Sunday against unauthorized use of the word Allah.

"There are laws in Selangor and there was a decree by his Royal Highness the Sultan. So what they are doing is carrying out the Sultan's decree," Deputy Prime Minister and UMNO Deputy President Muhyiddin Yassin was quoted by media as saying.

"They are not doing anything against the law."

The Sultan of Selangor, one of nine sultans who serve in turn as titular Malaysian head of state, decreed last year that non-Muslims must refrain from using Allah in Bibles. He asked Muslims to unite against "bad elements" that misuse the word.

The increasingly assertive stand by holders of the largely ceremonial office show that Muslim leaders have become increasingly vocal about their role in defending Islam.

In 2010, arsonists firebombed several churches over the initial ruling that allowed the Catholic newspaper to use the Arabic word. Two Malay men were found guilty for setting fire to one of the churches.


So. One can now no longer use certain words.

If you want to say God and are unlucky enough to speak Arabic, you are now screwed if you are a non-Muslim.
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Re: Malaysia's Islamic authorities seize Bibles as Allah row deepens
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2014, 12:50:58 PM »
I've always said if someone wants to see religious tolerance in action,  they need look no farther than islam. :3:
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Re: Malaysia's Islamic authorities seize Bibles as Allah row deepens
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2014, 01:15:23 PM »
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Islamic authorities in Malaysia on Thursday seized 321 Bibles from a Christian group because they used the word Allah to refer to God
Ah, so it appears that even Muslims acknowledge that their "Allah" is not the same god as the Judeo-Christian "Yahweh" or "God."

Permit me to quote from The Ambassador's Guide to Islam" by Alan Shlemon, published by Stand to Reason.
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Do Muslims and Christians Worship the Same God?

... Simply put, Allah and Yahweh are identical if they share the same essential properties. If everything true about Allah is equally true about Yahweh, then they're the same God. Even someone familiar with basic theology can see the God of Islam and the God of Christianity are not the same. For example, Allah is unitarian, unknowable and transcendent (separate from his creation). Yahweh, on the other hand, is trinitarian and knowable. And even though Yahweh is transcendent, He is also immanent (present within His creation).

These differences aren't merely incidental, but are central to each religion's conception of God. For example, Allah's unitarian nature means he is a perfect unity of only one person. Yahweh is Trinitarian, one God yet three persons. The difference is so significant that Christians consider it heresy to deny God's Trinitarian nature and Muslims consider it blasphemy to affirm it.

Another differences pertains to Jesus, who the Bible teaches is God. Because of Jesus' divine status, Christians worship him. Muslims do not. If they did, they would commit shirk*, the sin of polytheism.

There is no way to reconcile the Muslim and the Christian characterizations of God. The Bible's claims about God are blasphemous to Muslims. The God of the Qur'an is heretical to Christians. Muslims and Christians don't worship the same God.
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Re: Malaysia's Islamic authorities seize Bibles as Allah row deepens
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2014, 02:51:11 PM »
Being a fair and balanced sort - well, I post the bad as well as the good.

So. One can now no longer use certain words.

If you want to say God and are unlucky enough to speak Arabic, you are now screwed if you are a non-Muslim.

I imagine they learned it from our liberals with their anti-racist/homophobic/feminine BS.

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Re: Malaysia's Islamic authorities seize Bibles as Allah row deepens
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2014, 03:06:30 PM »

Allah is afraid because Jesus defeated him...


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Re: Malaysia's Islamic authorities seize Bibles as Allah row deepens
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2014, 06:34:24 PM »
Yahweh is NOT trinitarian to Jews.
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