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By Danielle Demetriou, Tokyo


North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un was "very drunk" when he ordered the execution of two aides close to his purged uncle, according to Japanese newspaper reports.
The young leader ordered the execution of two aides after they reportedly failed to respond immediately to a request to hand over a profitable business to the military.
The two aides were close to Jang Song-thaek, Kim's uncle, who only weeks later was dramatically stripped of his powerful posts and executed in an effort by the leader to consolidate his grip on power
They were believed to be among at least eight aides from Jang's circle who were believed to have been executed in the run-up to his own execution this month, the Yomiuri Shimbun added.

As a result, the purging of Jang was reportedly predicted by the South Korean government, which apparently learnt of the executions of his aides via wiretapping conversations.

"Those who were close [to the two aides] were surprised by their execution, and made phone calls to their friends living abroad, and the South Korean government [spy agency] wiretapped their phone conversations," the newspaper said. "The South Korean government then concluded that the purge of Jang Song-thaek was inevitable, based on the testimony of people involved with the case."

South Korea's spy chief briefed parliament on the purges, claiming Jang Song-thaek stemmed from his attempts to take control of the country's lucrative coal export business.

Nam Jae-Joon, the head of South Korea's National Intelligence Service, said Jang's attempts to secure control of state-run natural resources businesses played a big part in his downfall.

Nam, briefing members of parliament's intelligence committee on the situation in the North, also said the young ruler currently "appears to have no problem" in his grip on power - but may stage armed provocations against the South sometime between January and March to rally domestic unity.

"Jang intervened too much in lucrative state businesses...related to coal, which drew mounting complaints from other (related) state bodies," lawmaker Jung Chung-Rae, a member of the committee, quoted Nam as saying at the closed hearing.

Jang for years handled the country's mineral exports, which go mostly to China.

The impoverished but mineral-rich North has sought for years to bolster its crumbling economy by increasing exports of coal and other minerals, which account for the bulk of its exports to China.

But Jang and his associates angered other top party officials by rapidly expanding their control over the coveted mineral businesses.

"Kim Jong-Un was briefed about it and issued orders to correct the situation," Mr Jung said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10535033/Kim-Jong-un-very-drunk-when-he-ordered-execution-of-uncles-two-aides.html


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What a nightmare! North Korea is hell on earth and is exactly what our founders devoted their lives to ending in the New World.

The example of North Korea (and knowledge of history) is why Americans squabble devotedly over politics and why we selflessly offer our lives in battle to protect and defend the Constitution.
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A few years ago a young filmmaker got into North Korea and made videos surreptitiously. It's heartbreaking to watch them and realize just how suppressed and under the thumb of a bizarre government the people are.
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 SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - Kim Jong Un boasted Wednesday that North Korea enters the new year on a surge of strength because of the elimination of "factionalist filth" - a reference to the young leader's once powerful uncle, whose execution last month raised questions about Kim's grip on power.

Kim's comments in an annual New Year's Day message, which included a call for improved ties with Seoul but also a warning of a possible "nuclear catastrophe," will be scrutinized by outside analysts and governments for clues about the opaque country's intentions and policy goals.

Already widespread worry about the country has deepened since Kim publicly humiliated and then executed his uncle and mentor, one of the biggest political developments in Pyongyang in years, and certainly since Kim took power two years ago after the death of his father, Kim Jong Il.

North Korea's "resolute" action to "eliminate factionalist filth" within the ruling Workers' Party has bolstered the country's unity "by 100 times," Kim said in a speech broadcast by state TV. He didn't mention by name his uncle, Jang Song Thaek, long considered the country's No. 2 power.

But Kim included rhetoric that some analysts saw as a first step to renewing dialogue with rival Seoul. Kim called for an improvement in strained ties with South Korea, saying it's time for each side to stop slandering the other and urging Seoul to listen to voices calling for Korean unification.

That language, which is similar to that of past New Year's messages, is an obvious improvement on last year's threats of nuclear war, though there is still skepticism in Washington and Seoul about Pyongyang's intentions.

North Korea's authoritarian, secretive government is extremely difficult for outsiders to interpret, and analysts are divided about the meaning of Jang's execution on treason charges. Many, however, believe that the purge shows Kim Jong Un struggling to establish the same absolute power that his father and grandfather enjoyed.

The public announcement of Jang's fall opened up a rare and unfavorable window on the country's inner workings, showing an alleged power struggle between Kim and his uncle after the 2011 death of Kim Jong Il.

Jang's public downfall was seen as an acknowledgement of dissension and loss of control by the ruling Kim dynasty. That has caused outside alarm as Kim Jong Un simultaneously tries to revive a moribund economy and pushes development of nuclear-armed missiles.

Seoul worries that instability could lead to provocations meant to help consolidate internal unity. Attacks blamed on North Korea killed 50 South Koreans in 2010, and tension on the Korean Peninsula still lingers, although Pyongyang has backed away from war rhetoric from early last year that included threats of nuclear attacks against Washington and Seoul.

Recent indications that North Korea is restarting a mothballed reactor that can produce plutonium for bombs has left Washington and Seoul skeptical about Pyongyang's recent calls for a resumption of long-stalled nuclear disarmament talks. The country conducted its third nuclear test in February. It's estimated to have a handful of crude nuclear devices and to be working toward building a warhead small enough to mount on a long-range missile, although most experts say that goal may take years to achieve.

Lim Eul Chul, a North Korea expert at South Korea's Kyungnam University, said there was a stronger push in this year's message for improved ties with Seoul, but that doesn't mean North Korea will take any dramatic steps anytime soon.

Observers say Kim's vow to improve his people's living standards could be linked to the comments on better inter-Korean ties, which are seen as necessary to winning badly needed investment and aid.

Robert Carlin, a North Korea expert and contributor to the 38 North website, said Kim's speech suggests more concrete North Korean proposals are coming. "Many times over the past 30 or 40 years, the two sides have started dialogue by agreeing to stop slander of the other," Carlin said in an email. "It's a relatively easy (and verifiable) first step."

In comments that mirror past North Korean propaganda, Kim also warned of an accidental conflict that could trigger "an enormous nuclear catastrophe," which would threaten U.S. safety.

The 1950-53 Korean War ended with an armistice, not a peace treaty, leaving the peninsula technically in a state of war. About 28,500 American troops are deployed in South Korea to help deter North Korean aggression.
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A few years ago a young filmmaker got into North Korea and made videos surreptitiously. It's heartbreaking to watch them and realize just how suppressed and under the thumb of a bizarre government the people are.


I saw a series along the lines of something river?  It's been some time I tried to bookmark it but it wouldn't stay.  horrible
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What worries me is what he would do when he gets drunk again? Order his 1.2 million man cross the 38 parallel against the 28,000 USFK/UN Forces and begins shelling Seoul? Or even worse starts using his using his nuclear stockpiles against USA allied forces?
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Geez, I hate when that happens. A couple of martinis and I'm having a great old time, but three more glasses and I'm being cruel to the hookers and ordering air strikes on Seoul.
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Geez, I hate when that happens. A couple of martinis and I'm having a great old time, but three more glasses and I'm being cruel to the hookers and ordering air strikes on Seoul.

This guy is completely unstable with the addition of having nuclear, biological and chemical weapons at his disposal. This even adds to the danger. Nobody knows what is next move will be. He has proved his unpredictability with the recent purges in the last several weeks.
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This guy is completely unstable with the addition of having nuclear, biological and chemical weapons at his disposal. Nobody knows what is next move will be.

There's no doubt that Lil' Kim is crazier than a rabid squirrel tripping on peyote. Unfortunately, Obama's the one we have to worry about because the people he's got in charge of our national security are more likely to see us as the enemy than him.
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There's no doubt that Lil' Kim is crazier than a rabid squirrel tripping on peyote. Unfortunately, Obama's the one we have to worry about because the people he's got in charge of our national security are more likely to see us as the enemy than him.
You are right. I am worried that the response would be quick enough because of the President's previous responses to threats like the Syrian problem
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Re: Kim Jong-un 'very drunk' when he ordered execution of uncle's two aides
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2014, 04:35:14 PM »
A few years ago a young filmmaker got into North Korea and made videos surreptitiously. It's heartbreaking to watch them and realize just how suppressed and under the thumb of a bizarre government the people are.


I just finished watching the third video of seven. Interesting videos, but in no way would I want to visit that Godforsaken place. It's like out of a science fiction movie...or worse.

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Re: Kim Jong-un 'very drunk' when he ordered execution of uncle's two aides
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2014, 04:37:03 PM »
What worries me is what he would do when he gets drunk again? Order his 1.2 million man cross the 38 parallel against the 28,000 USFK/UN Forces and begins shelling Seoul? Or even worse starts using his using his nuclear stockpiles against USA allied forces?

What you are saying is in fact a little more than a joke.
 
However, two points. One the number of USA allied forces is becoming less and less every month. (unless you count Al Queda, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Iran) And two, the nuclear chemical button in NK has one of those breathalizer thingys on it. So, he wont be able to start it if he has been drinking.
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Re: Kim Jong-un 'very drunk' when he ordered execution of uncle's two aides
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2014, 04:42:35 PM »
In the good ol' days, the CIA would have take care of this without breaking a sweat or need for apology.
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Re: Kim Jong-un 'very drunk' when he ordered execution of uncle's two aides
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2014, 04:44:25 PM »

What you are saying is in fact a little more than a joke.
 
However, two points. One the number of USA allied forces is becoming less and less every month. (unless you count Al Queda, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Iran) And two, the nuclear chemical button in NK has one of those breathalizer thingys on it. So, he wont be able to start it if he has been drinking.

North Korean Threat by George Norris


https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:tCQfH7gMmdAJ:nautilus.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/NorthKoreanThreat.pdf+North+Korean+threat:+Countering+brawn+with+brains&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgyG-oZAuy9iK55hIr6lz_ag1H7BKWvlR1W-1YEsTvFCkohF1oqiRxHavYvtFGpEllllkqvFK039xkmXeiz2fVEGvTxkHKNoYvmY1v9bXPmRHnLno7McHJ-hV9EHvBZ3n0MYxx0&sig=AHIEtbTuwhH-d1XNX66w4xQB--9Qr8YxtA
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Re: Kim Jong-un 'very drunk' when he ordered execution of uncle's two aides
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2014, 04:46:27 PM »
I just finished watching the third video of seven. Interesting videos, but in no way would I want to visit that Godforsaken place. It's like out of a science fiction movie...or worse.

Thanks for linking the story. I will watch it later.

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Re: Kim Jong-un 'very drunk' when he ordered execution of uncle's two aides
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2014, 05:02:26 PM »
North Korean Threat by George Norris


https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:tCQfH7gMmdAJ:nautilus.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/NorthKoreanThreat.pdf+North+Korean+threat:+Countering+brawn+with+brains&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgyG-oZAuy9iK55hIr6lz_ag1H7BKWvlR1W-1YEsTvFCkohF1oqiRxHavYvtFGpEllllkqvFK039xkmXeiz2fVEGvTxkHKNoYvmY1v9bXPmRHnLno7McHJ-hV9EHvBZ3n0MYxx0&sig=AHIEtbTuwhH-d1XNX66w4xQB--9Qr8YxtA
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George Norris is an intelligence research specialist and is also an North Korean Analyst in Field Artillery Branch at the Foreign Science and Technology Center, Charlottsville Virginia. He has been a Threat and Military Intelligence director in the Tactics  and Combined Artillery school at Fort Sill,Oklaholma. He has also commanded an 8 inch battery and warhead detachment in West Germany. and served as the  Operations and Intelligence Officer for the 210th field artillery, West Brigade in West Germany.
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Re: Kim Jong-un 'very drunk' when he ordered execution of uncle's two aides
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2014, 05:56:12 PM »
Here is a list of North Korean Provcations from 1950-2003

http://www.fas.org/man/crs/RL30004.pdf

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Re: Kim Jong-un 'very drunk' when he ordered execution of uncle's two aides
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2014, 06:18:06 PM »
Thankfully, Obama can only dream about this kind of power.....


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Re: Kim Jong-un 'very drunk' when he ordered execution of uncle's two aides
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2014, 07:19:50 PM »
Thankfully, Obama can only dream about this kind of power.....

My concern is that he does.
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Re: Kim Jong-un 'very drunk' when he ordered execution of uncle's two aides
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2014, 09:13:06 PM »
My concern is that he does.

Mine too, but thankfully he can't get blitzed on Cuervo and order the Secret Service to go shoot a political enemy...and that hasn't happened since the Clintons were in the White House and was restricted to Ft. Marcy Park.........

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Re: Kim Jong-un 'very drunk' when he ordered execution of uncle's two aides
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2014, 10:16:21 PM »
[[ My concern is that he does. ]]

Whether he does or not, is hard to say.

But one thing is certain:
VALERIE certainly does !!


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