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Boortz: Social Conservatives Will Prevent Republican Majority
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Boortz: Social Conservatives Will Prevent Republican Majority
Posted on Dec 28, 2013 at 8:02 PM

By Caleb Howe

“I don’t think the Republicans are going to take the Senate next year. They’ll keep the House, but they’re not going to get the Senate and I’ll tell you why – because they simply cannot resist the urge, the impulse to get into this social conservatism.” – Neal Boortz

Filling in for Sean Hannity earlier this week, Neal Boortz suggested that Republicans will be unable to take the House in 2014, and that the reason will be social conservatives and cultural issues.

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  This whole thing about Phil Robertson and what have you – it speaks a lot to what we have coming up in the election next year. We desperately need to get the Democrats out of control of the United States Senate. The survival of our republic may depend on getting the Democrats out of control of the Senate, sending Harry Reid into the position of minority leader in the U.S. Senate – the survival of the republic may depend on that. And the Democrats are afraid that is indeed what is going to happen. That is why Harry Reid pulled the nuclear option a couple of weeks ago – because they were afraid we may lose the Senate.


This is a common refrain in Washington and among the “old guard” of the GOP: The notion that we can totally win if only we would stop caring about silly little backwoods issues like abortion, prayer, marriage, values and, well, the list goes on. It is not actually difficult to understand why this idea appeals to this group. After all, who can but think that we should do whatever it takes to ensure a Republican majority in the hopes of stopping the runaway spending train and reckless mismanagement of America under the current regime? Not to mention the steady decrease in American power and prestige on the world stage. We’re less safe, less wealthy, less secure, and soon to be less healthy. To stop the agenda set in motion by the pseudo-socialist politics of the democrat party has to be paramount, surely.

But expecting social conservatives to accept that their core issues should “sit this one out” is an absurd expectation. What are we saving if we surrender our values in order to save it? For social conservatives, the threats they see are every bit as immediate, every bit as damaging, and every bit as dangerous as the fiscal issues. Why then relent? Shunning social conservatives hasn’t worked yet. What makes them think it will in the future? Especially when we have overwhelming evidence that America is just about fed up with the moral decline in America. Just ask A&E.

So yes, social conservative issues will continue to play a major role in politics and elections for the foreseeable future. Maybe our Washington problem-solvers should try and figure out a strategy for working with that, rather than coming back every two years and telling social conservatives to be neither seen nor heard while still expecting them to turn out and support the party.
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Re: Boortz: Social Conservatives Will Prevent Republican Majority
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2013, 09:04:09 PM »
1.  What is the Senate going to do about abortion?

2.  What is the Senate going to do about prayer?

3.  What is the Senate going to do about marriage?

4.  What is the Senate going to do about values?

How about?  Can't.  Won't.  Squat.  Nothing.
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Re: Boortz: Social Conservatives Will Prevent Republican Majority
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2013, 09:19:07 PM »
1.  What is the Senate going to do about abortion?

State issue.

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2.  What is the Senate going to do about prayer?

Nothing. First amendment forbids them getting involved.

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3.  What is the Senate going to do about marriage?

State issue.

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4.  What is the Senate going to do about values?

Leading by example would be nice, but don't hold your breath.

Pulling your chain slightly here - but none of those are Federal issues. Those are all for the people of their respective states to decide - then pay for out of their own pockets.
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Re: Boortz: Social Conservatives Will Prevent Republican Majority
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2013, 09:23:28 PM »
Boortz is and always will be an anti-Christian bigot.  His hated of people with any kind of moral character is one reason why I never listened to him and thought about organizing a protest when he came here to speak.
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Re: Boortz: Social Conservatives Will Prevent Republican Majority
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2013, 11:35:52 PM »
There is some truth to that statement, whatever one thinks of the person who uttered it.  As EC rightly points out, the federal government has no business whatsoever messing around with the first three items, and the fourth is simply too vague to have any real meaning - unless, of course, one wants to impose by federal fiat a whole bunch of other social viewpoints.

Conservatives were outraged when the Supreme Court found some sort of penumbra emanating from the Constitution sufficient to make abortion a federal issue, and yet now, there they are, wanting to make abortion a federal issue by using the vast, coercive, power of the federal government to dictate other peoples' decisions about abortion.  Conservatives were correct the first time:  there is nothing in the Constitution that gives the federal government the right or the power to stick its nose into an individual's decisions about abortion; it was unconstitutional then and it's just as unconstitutional now when social conservatives try to do it.*

With respect to prayer, I have to ask of social conservatives this:  what part of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech" do they not understand?  Prayer is a personal matter that sits at the confluence of freedom of speech and freedom of religion, and thus is doubly protected from interference by the federal government.  Social conservatives who wish to do anything other than keep the federal government's nose out of everyone's prayers - or choice to not pray - are being just as hypocritical as their liberal counterparts are.

With respect to marriage:  where in the Constitution does it say anything, anything at all, that could conceivably give Congress the power to make laws affecting who can get married and who not, whom they can marry, and whom not, and to waive the full faith and credit clause for the states on the issue of other states' marriage laws?  The answer is very short:  Nowhere.  Social conservatives who wish to use the vast, coercive, power of the federal government to impose their views on marriage on everyone else are being just as tyrannical as are liberals and the democrats.

Which leads us back to the original point:  that social conservatives could cost the GOP seats in the Senate.  Too many of the policies social conservatives push are, at bottom, exactly the same sort of despotic social engineering they rightly decry when the democrats/liberals engage in it, and, for largely historical reasons, most Americans recoil from that sort of social engineering and will reject outright a politician who appears to be seriously proposing to enact those policies.  If the GOP persists in allowing social conservatives to use it as a platform to advocate for their brand of social engineering, then the GOP will find itself being rejected by a lot of Americans who otherwise have much in common with the GOP on many other issues.



* There is one place where the Constitution does give Congress some power in regard to abortion:  the Commerce Clause power, pursuant to which the federal government can impose regulations on abortions that have some relationship to interstate commerce (which isn't much of a hurdle in any event).  However, social conservatives should be warned to practice what they preach even here:  they were outraged when the democrats attempted to justify Obamacare and the individual mandate under the Commerce Clause - as well they should have been - and it would therefore be hypocritical of social conservatives to try and impose their own version of social engineering by doing the same thing they lambasted democrats for doing.  In any event, the Supreme Court would most likely slam-dunk any such attempt because, as J. Roberts made it clear in his ruling on Obamacare, the individual mandate cannot be justified under the Commerce Clause; any similar attempt by social conservatives would most likely meet a similar fate.

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Re: Boortz: Social Conservatives Will Prevent Republican Majority
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2013, 04:31:00 AM »
3/4 of the country is Christian.  If a party doesn't take that into consideration then it won't be a majority party. 
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Re: Boortz: Social Conservatives Will Prevent Republican Majority
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2013, 05:28:10 AM »
3/4 of the country is Christian.  If a party doesn't take that into consideration then it won't be a majority party.

Of that 3/4 that is Christian, there are people who consider themselves Christian who may not go to church, those who go Church a few days a year and there are "to be seen Christians".  Of those who are Christian, how many want stores closed on Sundays?  Who want liquor banned? 
There doesn't seem to be any desire for a Christian Taliban either.
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Re: Boortz: Social Conservatives Will Prevent Republican Majority
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2013, 08:51:46 AM »
The problem with so many of the so-called "social conservatives" is that they are not all that concerned about politics.  They will show up to vote for a candidate who shares their values, but in a race between two secularists (or even between a Mormon and a Muslim) they stay home and let the devil decide.  So the question is not whether emphasizing social issues will "cost" the GOP the election, but whether there are enough votes gained in giving up the social issues to compensate for all the votes lost.  I think we got one answer to that question in 2012, but the GOP establishment remains in denial.

There is a lot of new polling to suggest that public opinion is shifting back toward the conservative view on issues like gay marriage and abortion.  Look, for example, at the recent "Duck Dynasty" fiasco.

Personally, I don't see any reason for the GOP to nationalize the campaign in 2014.  In races where social issues are likely to matter (Louisiana, for example) they ought to be emphasized.  In places where they are an albatross around the neck of the candidate, not so much.  As a party, the GOP only needs to be positioned slightly to the right of the Democrats on these issues, but individual candidates can take more extreme views based on the dynamics of each race.

Certainly, there will be quite a bit of contentiousness over social issues in some of the primaries.  But that's what primaries are for.

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Re: Boortz: Social Conservatives Will Prevent Republican Majority
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2013, 09:15:38 AM »
Akins was the GOP-e choice who stepped on his dick while reaching out, not to Tea Party types but to religious Conservatives.
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2013, 02:11:20 PM »
3/4 of the country is Christian.  If a party doesn't take that into consideration then it won't be a majority party. 

Really?  So I've been deluded into thinking the democrats have been the majority party since approximately 2006, when they gained control of Congress?

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Re: Boortz: Social Conservatives Will Prevent Republican Majority
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2013, 02:37:48 PM »
Boortz is and always will be an anti-Christian bigot.  His hated of people with any kind of moral character is one reason why I never listened to him and thought about organizing a protest when he came here to speak.
What about his constitutionally protected right to free speech?


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Re: Boortz: Social Conservatives Will Prevent Republican Majority
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2013, 04:01:12 PM »
Akins was the GOP-e choice who stepped on his dick while reaching out, not to Tea Party types but to religious Conservatives.
Akin was a Democrat stooge (hundreds of thousands in Dem campaign contributions) who the socons fell for like suckers.
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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2013, 04:19:56 PM »
What about his constitutionally protected right to free speech?

He has it.

It guarantees freedom of speech, not compels listeners.

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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2013, 04:27:27 PM »
Akin was a Democrat stooge (hundreds of thousands in Dem campaign contributions) who the socons fell for like suckers.

They fall so easily, like teens into love.  I'll bet Huckabee was laughing all the way to the bank with that faux cross in the window pane gag.
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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2013, 04:33:23 PM »
Pulling your chain slightly here - but none of those are Federal issues. Those are all for the people of their respective states to decide - then pay for out of their own pockets.
Except that the federal government uses taxpayers' dollars to fund abortions (no matter what the state may say), I agree. When I ran for the state legislature, I made it clear where I stood on social issues because it mattered. Had I won, I would have had a say in things like the definition of marriage and what went on in public schools. However, we need to educate the LIVs - both conservative and otherwise - that it's not up to the federal government to "manage" morality.
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Re: Boortz: Social Conservatives Will Prevent Republican Majority
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2013, 04:50:39 PM »
Really?  So I've been deluded into thinking the democrats have been the majority party since approximately 2006, when they gained control of Congress?
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« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2013, 04:59:56 PM »
State issue.

Nothing. First amendment forbids them getting involved.

State issue.

Leading by example would be nice, but don't hold your breath.

Pulling your chain slightly here - but none of those are Federal issues. Those are all for the people of their respective states to decide - then pay for out of their own pockets.


This is why it matters..........

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,124577.new.html#new
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Re: Boortz: Social Conservatives Will Prevent Republican Majority
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2013, 05:10:21 PM »
Akin was a Democrat stooge (hundreds of thousands in Dem campaign contributions) who the socons fell for like suckers.

Akin was elected to the House in 2000.  He has a strong conservative voting record and served on the House Ways and Means Committee.  He was an early member of the U.S. House Tea Party caucus founded by Michelle Bachmann in 2010.  You believe he fooled the national GOP for 12 years before making his move?

It is true that the CA based Tea Party Express endorsed a different candidate in the 2012 Missouri race but many Missouri Tea Partiers disagreed.  https://www.stlbeacon.org/#!/content/24282/akin_tea_party_endorsement_041212 .  The Tea Party was quite satisfied with Akin when he won the Senate primary in Aug 2012.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/
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Tea Party-backed Rep. Akin wins Missouri GOP Senate primary to take on McCaskill

Score another win for the Tea Party.

Missouri Rep. Todd Akin broke out of a three-way GOP primary fight Tuesday and won the nomination to take on Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill in the fall. Akin had played up his Tea Party credentials, in an unusual primary race in which all three candidates claimed conservative, outsider appeal.

The results send yet another Tea Party-backed candidate into the general election, with the McCaskill face-off considered one of the most closely watched Senate races of the year.

Akin won a contest defined by which candidate was the most conservative. In doing so, he beat out Sarah Palin's candidate of choice, former state treasurer Sarah Steelman, and John Brunner, a businessman who poured more than $7.5 million of his own money into the race.


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Re: Boortz: Social Conservatives Will Prevent Republican Majority
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2013, 05:10:38 PM »
Except that the federal government uses taxpayers' dollars to fund abortions (no matter what the state may say), I agree. When I ran for the state legislature, I made it clear where I stood on social issues because it mattered. Had I won, I would have had a say in things like the definition of marriage and what went on in public schools. However, we need to educate the LIVs - both conservative and otherwise - that it's not up to the federal government to "manage" morality.


Just an aside - I think that's why you ran a close race in a fairly hostile district.

Even LIV's know honesty when they see it. Most of them respect it, too.

This is why it matters..........

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,124577.new.html#new


Not saying it doesn't matter - I am saying that it does not and should not matter to the Federal government. They are purely local issues.
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Not saying it doesn't matter - I am saying that it does not and should not matter to the Federal government. They are purely local issues.

They receive their funding from the Federal Government.
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« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2013, 05:15:43 PM »
1.  What is the Senate going to do about abortion?

2.  What is the Senate going to do about prayer?

3.  What is the Senate going to do about marriage?

4.  What is the Senate going to do about values?

How about?  Can't.  Won't.  Squat.  Nothing.

Nothing, I hope.

From the moment Obamacare is trashed....make that the 'instant'...the economy is going to boom BIG TIME! BIG TIME!!

You're asking the Senate to legislate values?  To overturn Roe v Wade?

That's insane....and it's the very thing Boortz is speaking about.

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« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2013, 05:21:09 PM »
Nothing, I hope.

From the moment Obamacare is trashed....make that the 'instant'...the economy is going to boom BIG TIME! BIG TIME!!

You're asking the Senate to legislate values?  To overturn Roe v Wade?

That's insane....and it's the very thing Boortz is speaking about.

Win the election....Get control.  Get power.   Teach Americans to fish once again.   They'll be ours for the rest of their lives.

No we are asking them to not fund these things and certainly not push things like this administration is doing with gay this and that across the board - especially our military.
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« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2013, 05:26:49 PM »
No we are asking them to not fund these things and certainly not push things like this administration is doing with gay this and that across the board - especially our military.

The way to handle all that is with Executive Order.   Don't say a PEEP about anything.  Run on Obamacare and the shitty economy and national debt.  That's all.

Soon as he finishes the Oath of Office....he terminates all Executive Orders signed by Obama and closes down the EPA.

Then focus on the teacher unions...and the NEA.   


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« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2013, 05:30:35 PM »
The way to handle all that is with Executive Order.   Don't say a PEEP about anything.  Run on Obamacare and the shitty economy and national debt.  That's all.

Soon as he finishes the Oath of Office....he terminates all Executive Orders signed by Obama and closes down the EPA.

Then focus on the teacher unions...and the NEA.   


It's going to be a blast.    So please don't stay home again.   LOL!


I didn't stay home.  But if you think Christie will do what you recommend you're dreaming.
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« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2013, 05:35:00 PM »
They receive their funding from the Federal Government.

Why? Should it not be the other way around?

I know, naive question, but germane to the discussion.
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