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Offline Lipstick on a Hillary

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« on: December 28, 2013, 10:45:35 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2013, 11:39:10 AM »
Excellent article.

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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2013, 11:51:49 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2013, 12:06:23 PM »
In other words.

Phil Robertson, a man of unyielding conservative moral ideals, has chosen to continue amassing wealth from a relationship with a liberal, secular network, while A&E, a secular liberal network, has opted to ignore the complaints of its liberal clientele in order to continue making money from Phil's show.

You have to love the free market.

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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2013, 02:00:25 PM »
It's not out of the realm of possibility that this was a mutually agreed upon, staged, wag-the-dog event.  After all, it garnered substantially more interest in the show than before and will most likely run up the ratings, and therefore the advertising rates, for the show.  It's a win-win for A&E, Gurney Productions, and Mr. Robertson.  No doubt he'll have a book coming out shortly that will leverage off of this bit of theater.

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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2013, 02:24:30 PM »
It's not out of the realm of possibility that this was a mutually agreed upon, staged, wag-the-dog event.  After all, it garnered substantially more interest in the show than before and will most likely run up the ratings, and therefore the advertising rates, for the show.  It's a win-win for A&E, Gurney Productions, and Mr. Robertson.  No doubt he'll have a book coming out shortly that will leverage off of this bit of theater.

That presumes a lack of authenticity on the part of the Robertsons, and from every thing I've read and seen, it's highly unlikely that they are that disingenuous.

I believe it's just what it seemed to be.  Phil went on GQ, they asked a loaded question which he answered with crude honesty, the pressure from GLAAD bullies ensued, A&E buckled, and then re-buckled when they realized they would be losing a load of cash for no good reason.

Had A&E just stated that they didn't agree with Phil, but that he had the right to believe what he wanted from the get-go, this so-called kerfuffle would never have happened.

I do think that A&E will benefit from restoring DD, as will the Robertsons.

But there is no way that a devout Christian would have staged this to fleece his audience.
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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2013, 03:16:54 PM »
Their average ratings were 14 million viewers with a high of 17 million, highest ratings of any television program on cable TV.   They already had controversy (if you want to call it that) over praying at the end of the show - A&E insisted they stop and they said no - and A&E adding in bleeps where there was nothing foul to bleep.  Nope this was a case of A&E acting without thinking about the audience of the program - which is not the Lesbian and Gay community.

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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2013, 04:20:39 PM »
Their average ratings were 14 million viewers with a high of 17 million, highest ratings of any television program on cable TV.   They already had controversy (if you want to call it that) over praying at the end of the show - A&E insisted they stop and they said no - and A&E adding in bleeps where there was nothing foul to bleep.  Nope this was a case of A&E acting without thinking about the audience of the program - which is not the Lesbian and Gay community.

Yep.
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2013, 12:37:00 PM »
In other words.

Phil Robertson, a man of unyielding conservative moral ideals, has chosen to continue amassing wealth from a relationship with a liberal, secular network, while A&E, a secular liberal network, has opted to ignore the complaints of its liberal clientele in order to continue making money from Phil's show.

You have to love the free market.

Perhaps you prefer socialism?  How has that worked throughout the world, in the socialist cesspools of Africa? Communism is simply the most extreme form of socialism, practiced in North Korea. 

And YOU called ME a "moron."  Pretty funny, Louie, Louie.

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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2013, 01:29:34 PM »
Perhaps you prefer socialism?  How has that worked throughout the world, in the socialist cesspools of Africa? Communism is simply the most extreme form of socialism, practiced in North Korea. 

And YOU called ME a "moron."  Pretty funny, Louie, Louie.

Uhh, it may not be entirely clear, but Luis is, in fact, celebrating the benefits and machinations of the free market, not denigrating them.  There was, perhaps, a little sarcasm in the post because Luis is not as convinced of the purity of Mr. Robertson's motivations as some others are.

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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2013, 01:53:15 PM »
That presumes a lack of authenticity on the part of the Robertsons, and from every thing I've read and seen, it's highly unlikely that they are that disingenuous.

I believe it's just what it seemed to be.  Phil went on GQ, they asked a loaded question which he answered with crude honesty, the pressure from GLAAD bullies ensued, A&E buckled, and then re-buckled when they realized they would be losing a load of cash for no good reason.

Had A&E just stated that they didn't agree with Phil, but that he had the right to believe what he wanted from the get-go, this so-called kerfuffle would never have happened.

I do think that A&E will benefit from restoring DD, as will the Robertsons.

But there is no way that a devout Christian would have staged this to fleece his audience.

Depends on what you mean by "fleece." 

Phil didn't lie about his beliefs.  Is he above staging a little controversy to boost ratings and DD product sales during the prime buying season?  Who knows?

However it happened, it was a brilliant marketing move.  DD didn't lose any of its audience and probably increased interest in the show, driving up ad rates and market share.
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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2013, 01:57:20 PM »
Depends on what you mean by "fleece." 

Phil didn't lie about his beliefs.  Is he above staging a little controversy to boost ratings and DD product sales during the prime buying season?  Who knows?

However it happened, it was a brilliant marketing move.  DD didn't lose any of its audience and probably increased interest in the show, driving up ad rates and market share.

Precisely.

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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2013, 02:08:10 PM »
But there is no way that a devout Christian would have staged this to fleece his audience.
Not to fleece them, unless paying the cable bill is fleecing. More like serve their audience.

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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2013, 02:12:15 PM »
Depends on what you mean by "fleece." 

Phil didn't lie about his beliefs.  Is he above staging a little controversy to boost ratings and DD product sales during the prime buying season?  Who knows?

However it happened, it was a brilliant marketing move.  DD didn't lose any of its audience and probably increased interest in the show, driving up ad rates and market share.

Phil's staging the controversy in cahoots with A&E seems a bit far fetched, but I suppose anything is possible, given enough cynicism.
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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2013, 02:15:12 PM »
Not to fleece them, unless paying the cable bill is fleecing. More like serve their audience.

I doubt that most of their audience would have even known about the GQ interview had A&E not buckled under the bullying techniques of GLAAD and fired Phil.

I think it's extremely unlikely that this was a wag the dog thing with both the Robertsons and A&E working together to boost ratings.

But I suppose black helicopters and conspiracy theories are all the rage these days, so why not indulge in a little fantasy, eh?
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« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2013, 02:16:51 PM »
I doubt that most of their audience would have even known about the GQ interview had A&E not buckled under the bullying techniques of GLAAD and fired Phil.

I think it's extremely unlikely that this was a wag the dog thing with both the Robertsons and A&E working together to boost ratings.

But I suppose black helicopters and conspiracy theories are all the rage these days, so why not indulge in a little fantasy, eh?

You don't need black helicopters, you simply need to know that GLAAD is a bunch of ravening dogs who respond in classic pavlovian fashion to everything that's similar to what Robertson said.  All it took was an educated bet on what GLAAD would do, nothing more.

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« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2013, 02:24:24 PM »
A&E quickly came to their senses, based on "enlightened self interest."

Or perhaps this was an expression of the "invisible hand."

Maybe we are at a point in history for the end of "community organizers" and special interest advocates to get their way, since ultimately they don't have much economic clout.

With black yutes rampaging, assaulting, murdering, there is and should be no sympathy left.

Gays already have their marriages, military service, Boy Scouts, so what's left? That doesn't mean everybody has to like all of it, or be silent.

For A&E it was not a moral question, but instead a purely economic question.
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« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2013, 04:03:04 PM »
You don't need black helicopters, you simply need to know that GLAAD is a bunch of ravening dogs who respond in classic pavlovian fashion to everything that's similar to what Robertson said.  All it took was an educated bet on what GLAAD would do, nothing more.

The comments I've read here have implied that Phil Robertson was in on some kind of conspiracy with A&E to make them all more money.

I'm sorry, but I find that ridiculous.

Anyone suggesting a 'wag the dog' scenario is indulging in some sort of conspiratorial fantasy.
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« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2013, 04:13:53 PM »
The comments I've read here have implied that Phil Robertson was in on some kind of conspiracy with A&E to make them all more money.

I'm sorry, but I find that ridiculous.

Anyone suggesting a 'wag the dog' scenario is indulging in some sort of conspiratorial fantasy.

It's a sign of the times, my Lady. When you can't trust your leaders, you get cynical. Personally, I think he said what he means and A&E got the optics wrong for their initial response. They may well have taken advantage of the controversy for boosting their brand, but that is making the best of a bad situation.
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« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2013, 05:04:12 PM »
Phil's staging the controversy in cahoots with A&E seems a bit far fetched, but I suppose anything is possible, given enough cynicism.

I wonder if the same approach can be applied to the "publicity stunt" cabal on here? Perhaps we can conclude that everything they post is insincere and they do it just to provoke controversy or for some other deep seated psychological need.

Yes, I am beginning to suspect that. They don't mean a word of what they say about Phil or any other topic for that matter.
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« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2013, 05:08:24 PM »
It's a sign of the times, my Lady. When you can't trust your leaders, you get cynical. Personally, I think he said what he means and A&E got the optics wrong for their initial response. They may well have taken advantage of the controversy for boosting their brand, but that is making the best of a bad situation.

Neither Phil Robertson nor A&E are our 'leaders,' and the cynicism we all have for politicians is irrelevant to the conversation.

I'm sorry, but it's really reaching to imagine that the Robertson family and A&E plotted together to make more money for DD.

Sometimes it just is what it is......

Phil told the truth in an interview, GLAAD acted typically like bullies, A&E caved like scared rabbits, but when they realized they were killing their own cash cow, relented.
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« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2013, 05:10:07 PM »
Phil's staging the controversy in cahoots with A&E seems a bit far fetched, but I suppose anything is possible, given enough cynicism.

I wonder if the same approach can be applied to the "publicity stunt" cabal on here? Perhaps we can conclude that everything they post is insincere and they do it just to provoke controversy or for some other deep seated psychological need.

Yes, I am beginning to suspect that. They don't mean a word of what they say about Phil or any other topic for that matter.

Hmmmmmm...................... an interesting thought, Cincinnatus.

One thing for sure, there are some who are contrarians and (transparent) pot-stirrers, so knowing what they actually believe is practically impossible.
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« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2013, 05:40:31 PM »
One thing for sure, there are some who are contrarians and (transparent) pot-stirrers, so knowing what they actually believe is practically impossible.

Well, ML, I am just applying their world view to themselves, have concluded they don't mean a word of what they say, and are motivated instead by some personal needs.
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« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2013, 06:00:41 PM »
One thing for sure, there are some who are contrarians and (transparent) pot-stirrers, so knowing what they actually believe is practically impossible.

Well, ML, I am just applying their world view to themselves, have concluded they don't mean a word of what they say, and are motivated instead by some personal needs.
No doubt there are a select few on this forum that are transparently duplicitous and disingenuous.
Their motive???...the word troll comes to mind, at least for one of them.
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« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2013, 06:35:24 PM »

Phil told the truth in an interview, GLAAD acted typically like bullies, A&E caved like scared rabbits, but when they realized they were killing their own cash cow, relented.

Agreed. That is reality, and why they call it "reality TV."

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