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Taking a different path, Hispanic evangelicals support Obamacare
« on: December 22, 2013, 05:47:07 PM »

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Re: Taking a different path, Hispanic evangelicals support Obamacare
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2013, 05:50:23 PM »
They support it because Hispanics support socialism.  Nothing more, nothing less.
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Re: Taking a different path, Hispanic evangelicals support Obamacare
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2013, 05:51:17 PM »
This isn't a surprise they came here for the freebies this society gives them, most will qualify for medicaid so they are getting free healthcare.  The polls taken of the community states the majority prefer and support big government...  they even have a Spanish soap opera that encourages them to sign up for food stamps, I imagine this will be added to the soap opera.

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Re: Taking a different path, Hispanic evangelicals support Obamacare
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2013, 09:57:29 PM »
This isn't a surprise they came here for the freebies this society gives them, most will qualify for medicaid so they are getting free healthcare.  The polls taken of the community states the majority prefer and support big government...  they even have a Spanish soap opera that encourages them to sign up for food stamps, I imagine this will be added to the soap opera.
If we are going to have any chance of keeping this country from entering a death spiral, we are going to have to find a way to reach these people.

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Re: Taking a different path, Hispanic evangelicals support Obamacare
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Re: Taking a different path, Hispanic evangelicals support Obamacare
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2013, 12:15:45 AM »
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Re: Taking a different path, Hispanic evangelicals support Obamacare
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Re: Taking a different path, Hispanic evangelicals support Obamacare
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2013, 08:33:29 AM »
Yes, pastors pay income tax on their earnings, although they do get some different treatment, for example, they are generally treated as self-employed even though they would otherwise qualify as "employees" under the general rules and they can opt out of the social security regime if they want to, although that also means they forgo any social security benefits.
They also can have the church reclassify what most of us would consider salary as "housing."
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Re: Taking a different path, Hispanic evangelicals support Obamacare
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2013, 09:44:46 AM »
They also can have the church reclassify what most of us would consider salary as "housing."

Except that it's still housing.  In fact, if your employer requires you to live in a certain structure as a condition of your continued employment, the rental value of that residence is not included as taxable income either, even if you aren't a pastor.

Furthermore, as far as the topic of conversation is concerned, and with respect to the comment that initially raised that question, the mere fact that a pastor's income may be largely untaxed cannot explain why Hispanic evangelicals are any more likely to support Obastardcare than are non-Hispanic evangelicals, because pastors in both groups benefit equally from the income exemptions granted to pastors.

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Re: Taking a different path, Hispanic evangelicals support Obamacare
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2013, 09:57:22 AM »
Might I suggest that pastors of Hispanic congregations see significantly more poverty related illness and disease than pastors of other congregations?

It could be as simple as that.
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Re: Taking a different path, Hispanic evangelicals support Obamacare
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2013, 09:58:50 AM »
Might I suggest that pastors of Hispanic congregations see significantly more poverty related illness and disease than pastors of other congregations?

It could be as simple as that.

It certainly could be; nonetheless, it's also quite certain that they cannot see the forest for the trees because Obamacare is unlikely to relieve much of that poverty, illness and disease and, in fact, because of its economy-dampening effects, is likely to increase that suffering.

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Re: Taking a different path, Hispanic evangelicals support Obamacare
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2013, 10:23:50 AM »
It certainly could be; nonetheless, it's also quite certain that they cannot see the forest for the trees because Obamacare is unlikely to relieve much of that poverty, illness and disease and, in fact, because of its economy-dampening effects, is likely to increase that suffering.

Totally agree with you on the effects of Obamacare. It's a band-aid prescribed for gangrene.

But you can imagine the frustration and rage these pastors (mostly very good men) feel for their parishioners. Obamacare comes along and says it will help the ones they can't help. Not surprising they bought into the lie.
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Re: Taking a different path, Hispanic evangelicals support Obamacare
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2013, 10:37:39 AM »
Totally agree with you on the effects of Obamacare. It's a band-aid prescribed for gangrene.

But you can imagine the frustration and rage these pastors (mostly very good men) feel for their parishioners. Obamacare comes along and says it will help the ones they can't help. Not surprising they bought into the lie.

On that we can agree.  And not only does it spring from an inability to appreciate the overarching economics, it also springs from, what I frankly see, as a misunderstanding of the Bible and of Jesus' teachings.  I've seen it in some liberal R.C. churches where the agitators in the flock have harangued the church into supporting things like Obamacare because Jesus told us to take care of the least of us, forgetting completely that Jesus appealed to each individual's conscience to motivate them to act of their own free will from their love of God; He did not appeal to the Roman Empire to force everyone to act in accordance with God's will.

If Jesus saw fit to not simply impose the desire to help the least by divine fiat, then who are we to do the same through the threat of Caesar's sword?  It's certainly within the realm of acts left to Caesar, but that doesn't make it morally correct and it doesn't make the supporters of those actions virtuous.

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Re: Taking a different path, Hispanic evangelicals support Obamacare
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2013, 10:37:52 AM »
Might I suggest that pastors of Hispanic congregations see significantly more poverty related illness and disease than pastors of other congregations?

It could be as simple as that.

Sadly, Hispanic pastors apparently also let their flocks believe that taking from others through the power of Caesar is biblical.  It isn't.

Here is the Hispanic attitude toward the U.S. that is typically on display...

         


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Re: Taking a different path, Hispanic evangelicals support Obamacare
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2013, 10:39:34 AM »
Sadly, Hispanic pastors apparently also let their flocks believe that taking from others through the power of Caesar is biblical.  It isn't.

Here is the Hispanic attitude toward the U.S. that is typically on display...

         




Something we can both agree on.

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Re: Taking a different path, Hispanic evangelicals support Obamacare
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2013, 10:57:56 AM »
Something we can both agree on.

Yeah well, let's not make a habit out of it...    :silly:


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Re: Taking a different path, Hispanic evangelicals support Obamacare
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2013, 12:08:55 AM »
Yeah well, let's not make a habit out of it...    :silly:




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