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Re: Denying communion to Pelosi and Kerry OKed by Vatican Chief Justice
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2013, 10:35:32 AM »
First, the person writing this column is not Catholic, yet he thinks he's qualified to tell the Church how it ought to behave.

Second, the Church does not use the Eucharist as a weapon.  It is ultimately up to the individual to decide whether or not to approach and receive the Eucharist.  As Pope Francis has said, the Eucharist is not a reward but a source of help and forgiveness.

Burke's views are in the minority, not only among American bishops, but among bishops worldwide.  Not even Benedict XVI publicly refused the Eucharist to anyone.
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Re: Denying communion to Pelosi and Kerry OKed by Vatican Chief Justice
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2013, 10:48:55 AM »
I do sometimes wonder about their confessions. Personally, I won't take Communion if I have not been to confession beforehand. It just feels wrong, you know?

But no - it is not a weapon at all, and should not be treated as such. Tried that once and look how well that worked out. The Church is there to guide and assist and provide structure and comfort. It's the horse, not the horseman.
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Re: Denying communion to Pelosi and Kerry OKed by Vatican Chief Justice
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2013, 11:02:20 AM »
A person who is intentionally disregarding a core tenet of the faith and is unrepentent about it has rejected the community that the communion represents, and therefore it is not "using communion as a weapon" to deny it to such a person.  The fact of the matter is that the Church is generally very, very lenient and routinely bends the rule, even when it must know with substantial certainty that the parishoners of a given parish have rejected the community.  Take NYC for example; some beliefs contrary to Church teachings - like pro-choice - are so prevalent that if the Church didn't bend the rule - in the hope that at least some will change their minds - that most parishes would simply not give communion to anyone.

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Re: Denying communion to Pelosi and Kerry OKed by Vatican Chief Justice
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2013, 11:41:51 AM »
I do sometimes wonder about their confessions. Personally, I won't take Communion if I have not been to confession beforehand. It just feels wrong, you know?

But no - it is not a weapon at all, and should not be treated as such. Tried that once and look how well that worked out. The Church is there to guide and assist and provide structure and comfort. It's the horse, not the horseman.

Well, just to clarify for any Catholics reading this thread, one is not obligated to avail themselves of the Sacrament of Reconciliation if one has not committed a serious sin. 
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Re: Denying communion to Pelosi and Kerry OKed by Vatican Chief Justice
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2013, 12:07:25 PM »
Well, just to clarify for any Catholics reading this thread, one is not obligated to avail themselves of the Sacrament of Reconciliation if one has not committed a serious sin.

Very true. If I gave the wrong impression to non-Catholics, I apologize. Then again, I rack up reasonably serious sins on a daily basis.  :laugh:
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Re: Denying communion to Pelosi and Kerry OKed by Vatican Chief Justice
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2013, 12:35:04 PM »
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Then again, I rack up reasonably serious sins on a daily basis.  :laugh:

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