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Feds declassify Bush-era surveillance docs
« on: December 21, 2013, 01:55:25 PM »

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Re: Feds declassify Bush-era surveillance docs
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2013, 01:56:55 PM »
....so they can announce it's all Bush's fault...


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Re: Feds declassify Bush-era surveillance docs
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2013, 02:24:42 PM »
"Metadata" is the haystack they must first gather so they can get to the terrorist needle.
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Re: Feds declassify Bush-era surveillance docs
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2013, 02:26:53 PM »
Trying to take the heat off Barack Ohimmler.
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Re: Feds declassify Bush-era surveillance docs
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2013, 02:28:50 PM »
Trying to take the heat off Barack Ohimmler.

Yep
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Re: Feds declassify Bush-era surveillance docs
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2013, 10:25:46 PM »
"Metadata" is the haystack they must first gather so they can get to the terrorist needle.

Metadata about an individual's phone calls can be as damning as the contents of those calls.  If the metadata on an individual's phone calls reflects a lot of calls to apparent terrorist numbers, then it's easy to infer that the individual was consorting with terrorists - and a jury finding to that effect would be upheld - even if those numbers weren't actually controlled by terrorists, or were used surreptitiously by terrorists who had no right to be using those numbers.

Of course, the situation is not cut-and-dried because at least some metadata is not protected under the Constitution; for example, so-called "pen registers" - information recorded about numbers that are called from an analog phone - can be collected legally under the Constitution (but not under current federal law) without a warrant or probable cause because, as the Supreme Court held in Smith v. Maryland, 442 U.S. 735 (1979), by voluntarily conveying that information to the telephone company, the dialer did not have a reasonable expectation of privacy.


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