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Sorry GOP, an 'R' Is Not Enough
« on: December 18, 2013, 11:18:35 AM »
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/17/Sorry-GOP-an-R-is-not-Enough

 by Dr. Milton Wolf 17 Dec 2013

I’ve been a Republican all my life—a loyal Republican. The problem is, our party has not been loyal to its own principles. That is why I am running for the United States Senate.

The Republican Party faces an identity crisis. What do we really stand for? Conservatives within the party, like myself, believe we should re-embrace the Constitution and stand unapologetically for the divinely-inspired American Idea of individual liberty, limited government, and free-market values.

The GOP establishment, on the other hand, believes we should stand simply for the letter "R." They claim that America’s problems will be solved if we just elect more people with Rs behind their names, but their own history shows otherwise.

Since the Reagan Revolution gave way to the “kinder, gentler” GOP (translation: surrender Republicans), conservative victories have been few and fleeting. Even the 1994 Contract with America is no exception. Within six years, the cumulative budget of the 95 major government programs slated for elimination had increased by thirteen percent. And that’s when spending really took off.

The harsh realities of the 2000s give lie to the current GOP establishment claims. Voters gave Republicans the White House, the House of Representatives, the Senate, and even the Supreme Court, and what did we get in return? The largest expansion of spending, borrowing, regulations, and debt our nation had ever seen. These Republicans—who call themselves conservatives—delivered the largest expansion of government in the history of America until Barack Obama came along.

The GOP establishment claimed in the 2000s that we were on the verge of a permanent Republican majority if we would just coopt the Democrats’ issues (translation: surrender to Democrats). And so, it was the GOP establishment that gave us the largest expansion of Medicare in the history of the program. It was the GOP establishment that gave us "No Bureaucrat Left Behind" for our schools. It was the GOP establishment that gave us the bank bailouts. And it was the GOP establishment that opened the White House doors for Barack Obama.

The letter "R" did not save America.

Today, America is in serious trouble because the establishment members of the GOP have, at best, proven themselves ineffective at stopping the Democrats’ unbridled expansion of government. In reality, these Republicans have been complicit with tax hikes, earmark spending, endless borrowing, and debt ceiling increases.

I am running for the United States Senate with the courage of conviction that the Constitution and the American Idea are not only the last best hope for America but also our path to return to greatness. I’m challenging Sen. Pat Roberts, who has been in Washington for 46 years. He calls himself a conservative but has voted for tax hikes, earmark spending, debt ceiling increases—eleven times!—and even voted to put Kathleen Sebelius in charge of ObamaCare. Sen. Roberts has been in Washington so long that earlier this year when he voted for Barack Obama’s $600 billion tax hike, he actually tried to sell it as “tax relief.”

This senate race in Kansas exemplifies the larger choice that the Republican Party faces. Is it enough to call yourself a Republican or even call yourself a conservative but still vote with and give aid and comfort to the Democrats whose singular mission is to expand government?

America’s fate hangs in the balance, and so does yours. As government expands, liberty contracts. And as liberty slips away little by little, prosperity contracts as well. We are witnessing this in America today. As the government reaches deeper into your doctor’s visit, into your gas tank, into your mortgage, into your children’s school, and into the rest of your life, it also reaches deeper into your paycheck and deeper still into your prospects for a better future.

Freedom itself is the most powerful engine of prosperity in human history. That’s the American story. Those poor souls throughout the ages who have been denied freedom have suffered immeasurably, and it does not matter if it was taken from them by force or voluntarily surrendered upon the altar of false utopian promises. History remains unmistakable: Freedom works. And yet, the GOP establishment cannot summon the courage or demonstrate the ability to effectively fight for it.

I will.

President Ronald Reagan understood our enduring struggle for freedom and fearlessly fought for it. Of the Republicans in the Congress, he famously wrote in his diary: “We had rabbits when we needed tigers.”

Indeed, we still do.

Dr. Milton Wolf is a constitutional conservative and practicing physician running for the United States Senate in Kansas. His website is miltonwolf.com. Follow him at @miltonwolfmd.

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Re: Sorry GOP, an 'R' Is Not Enough
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2013, 11:24:40 AM »

Poor Dr. Wolf still thinks that politics is a bottom-up process and we only need the 'right people' to restore our country...


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Re: Sorry GOP, an 'R' Is Not Enough
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2013, 11:59:33 AM »
Ronald Reagan also understood the art of compromise and the wisdom behind the adage that you could get a lot done if you didn't care who got the credit.  Without those, you'll have a hard time getting anywhere.

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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2013, 12:11:50 PM »
Is this candidate for or against farm subsidies?

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Re: Sorry GOP, an 'R' Is Not Enough
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2013, 12:12:07 PM »
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Of the Republicans in the Congress, he famously wrote in his diary: “We had rabbits when we needed tigers.”


Course, the real power-brokers tried to kill him early in his presidency.  That seemed to settle him down and make him more rabbit-like...


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Re: Sorry GOP, an 'R' Is Not Enough
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2013, 04:07:21 AM »
Course, the real power-brokers tried to kill him early in his presidency.  That seemed to settle him down and make him more rabbit-like...

Really you think Reagan settled down in the first few months of his presidency?  how unique.
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Re: Sorry GOP, an 'R' Is Not Enough
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2013, 11:39:04 AM »
Ronald Reagan also understood the art of compromise and the wisdom behind the adage that you could get a lot done if you didn't care who got the credit.  Without those, you'll have a hard time getting anywhere.

More important than compromise, Reagan was a great negotiator.  He almost always got a good deal and had the political skills to appeal directly to the voters to achieve a good deal.

Most of the House Republicans are willing to do anything to compromise to avoid a potential shutdown.   And, they get a raw deal.

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Re: Sorry GOP, an 'R' Is Not Enough
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2013, 12:23:38 PM »
Really you think Reagan settled down in the first few months of his presidency?  how unique.

I suppose that's one way to misinterpret what I wrote...


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Re: Sorry GOP, an 'R' Is Not Enough
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2013, 03:17:12 PM »
I suppose that's one way to misinterpret what I wrote...

Don't waste your time  - he HATES Reagan...
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Re: Sorry GOP, an 'R' Is Not Enough
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2013, 03:31:04 PM »
Don't waste your time  - he HATES Reagan...

Check...


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Re: Sorry GOP, an 'R' Is Not Enough
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2013, 03:38:59 PM »
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Voters gave Republicans the White House, the House of Representatives, the Senate, and even the Supreme Court, and what did we get in return? The largest expansion of spending, borrowing, regulations, and debt our nation had ever seen. These Republicans—who call themselves conservatives—delivered the largest expansion of government in the history of America until Barack Obama came along.


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Re: Sorry GOP, an 'R' Is Not Enough
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2013, 03:44:20 PM »
Don't waste your time  - he HATES Reagan...
Mindreading? Putting words in other people's mouths?

I seriously doubt anybody here hates President Ronald Reagan, so you are most likely WRONG.


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Re: Sorry GOP, an 'R' Is Not Enough
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2013, 03:51:22 PM »
Mindreading? Putting words in other people's mouths?

I seriously doubt anybody here hates President Ronald Reagan, so you are most likely WRONG.

Well then you need to read what he has said.  He thinks Reagan was one of the worst presidents ever and makes no bones about his utter contempt for Reagan and conservatives as a whole.
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Re: Sorry GOP, an 'R' Is Not Enough
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2013, 04:32:58 PM »
Well then you need to read what he has said.  He thinks Reagan was one of the worst presidents ever and makes no bones about his utter contempt for Reagan and conservatives as a whole.
Liar!
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Re: Sorry GOP, an 'R' Is Not Enough
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2013, 10:22:06 PM »
Really you think Reagan settled down in the first few months of his presidency?  how unique.

How do you catch a rare rabbit ("RR")?

Unique up on him!!

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« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2013, 10:23:37 PM »
Well then you need to read what he has said.  He thinks Reagan was one of the worst presidents ever and makes no bones about his utter contempt for Reagan and conservatives as a whole.


The last time I mentioned Reagan was in Oct.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,116730.msg471634.html#msg471634

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I hate to bad mouth Reagan because I think he was one of the top 5 US Presidents of all time, but since he is the conservative gold standard...Do you think Reagan compromised his principles just a little by signing all those budgets?  As I recall he promise to reduce the deficit and national debt.

I can see how you confused that with "I hate Reagan" cause you're a liar.  Like Obama.
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Re: Sorry GOP, an 'R' Is Not Enough
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2013, 10:24:33 PM »
How do you catch a rare rabbit ("RR")?

Unique up on him!!

You know how you catch a tame rabbit?

Tame way.
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« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2013, 10:26:13 PM »
You know how you catch a tame rabbit?

Tame way.

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Re: Sorry GOP, an 'R' Is Not Enough
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2013, 10:27:43 PM »
The last time I mentioned Reagan was in Oct.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,116730.msg471634.html#msg471634

I wrote:

I hate to bad mouth Reagan because I think he was one of the top 5 US Presidents of all time, but since he is the conservative gold standard...Do you think Reagan compromised his principles just a little by signing all those budgets?  As I recall he promise to reduce the deficit and national debt.

I can see how you confused that with "I hate Reagan" cause you're a liar.  Like Obama.


Rap has a selective memory.  Meaning, she remembers some of what you said, and just makes up the rest to fit her argument of the moment.
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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2013, 10:43:40 PM »
The last time I mentioned Reagan was in Oct.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,116730.msg471634.html#msg471634

I wrote:

I hate to bad mouth Reagan because I think he was one of the top 5 US Presidents of all time, but since he is the conservative gold standard...Do you think Reagan compromised his principles just a little by signing all those budgets?  As I recall he promise to reduce the deficit and national debt.

I can see how you confused that with "I hate Reagan" cause you're a liar.  Like Obama.


Actually, Reagan did compromise some of his principles, and that isn't a knock against him because, to all appearances, he was quite well-versed in the art of compromise - which is one of the fundamental arts of the overarching art of politics - and it must have been his judgment that the principles he generally compromised on were those that could be compromised without fundamentally compromising who he was politically or the broader goals he was trying to reach, and in each situation, that what he got back in return was worth the cost of the compromise.

Both today's republican moderates and today's republican conservatives have utterly failed at this most basic skill of politics; the conservatives because they refuse to consider compromising even a jot, tittle, or iota, even on things that are of secondary or tertiary importance; the moderates because they are all too willing to compromise, at the drop of a hat, and on anything and everything, just so long as they're given some of the credit for being "good guys".  Neither group really knows the value of one's complete repetoire of values, principles, and goals, nor how to sort them so that those that cannot be compromised at all are separated from the rest, and the rest are sorted in order as to how easily each can be compromised and what "value" must be received in return to make that compromise worth the while.

Having said all this, just because Reagan was a master at the art of compromise does not mean that he didn't make mistakes and that he didn't compromise some things that, in retrospect, he should not have compromised.  On the other hand, Reagan would not be nearly as famous as a President if he hadn't been willing to compromise as and where necessary to achieve the more important goals he sought to achieve.

That, I think, is the true take-away from Reagan, and the aspect of his presidency that should be studied and copied, because those skills are instrumental, not substantive, and can be applied in a wide variety of situations; given that the second decade of the twenty-first century is not the same as the ninth decade (1980s) of the twentieth century, that is where the real value of Reagan's example lies:  his political tools - the things he used to work his political magic - and not so much every jot and tittle of his substantive politics.

Unfortunately, on this measure both republican conservatives and moderates have failed utterly.  Depending on one's particular persuasion, the one group is better than the other depending on whether you prefer martyrdom over capitulation, or vice-versa.
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« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2013, 04:01:42 AM »
Unfortunately, on this measure both republican conservatives and moderates have failed utterly.  Depending on one's particular persuasion, the one group is better than the other depending on whether you prefer martyrdom over capitulation, or vice-versa.

I agree with much of what you wrote except your conclusion.  We don't live in a black and white vacuum of conservative or moderate.  Where all conservatives are martyrs and all moderates just want to make friends.  And our ability to satisfy the needs of our voters must be judged on a measure that includes the natural ebb and flow of voter sentiment. 

What I mean is you can look at the current discord within the party...and then look at how together the rats are and get an impression of failure for the GOP.  But it maybe the current soul searching for a cohesive GOP message is a logical function of process to get us on track with the voters.  The animosity between the two wings of the GOP might be natural for a minority party poised for a triumphant return.   
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I believe this country is ready to swing to the right again.  I think we get their faster with slow incremental change because the voters don't like to be rushed into stuff and they push back.

In Nov I wrote this to you
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,118976.msg482112.html#msg482112

With only one exception the parties have traded the White House every 8 years since 1944.
1944-1952 FDR/Truman
1952-1960 Ike
1960-1968 JFK/Johnson
1968-1976 Nixon/Ford
1976-1984 Carter/Reagan-one exception with extraordinary economic malaise
1984-1992 Reagan/Bush
1992-2000 Clinton
2000-2008 Bush
2008-2016 Obama

I believe the GOP will dominate in 2016, but I also believe the conservative wing of the GOP has accelerated to the right too fast and has lost sight of the center.  The centrist wing could bend to the right so the GOP can keep the party in balance...or the center may be a break on rightward momentum.  I'm not using the best words to express this but I'm too tired to polish it.  The point is conservatives will likely fare no better in fielding a popular candidate in 2016 than most any other election.

Conservative or moderate rule is acceptable rule to me when compaired to rat rule.  I can happily vote for any GOP candidate.  I'd take Ted Cruz over Hillary any day.  And I sure wish McCain or Romney had beat Obama.  But I didn't expect it.  What I expect next is 8 years of a GOP President and God willing a GOP Senate for what ever years are needed to pack the SCOTUS.
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« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2013, 07:59:23 PM »
I agree with much of what you wrote except your conclusion.  We don't live in a black and white vacuum of conservative or moderate.  Where all conservatives are martyrs and all moderates just want to make friends.  And our ability to satisfy the needs of our voters must be judged on a measure that includes the natural ebb and flow of voter sentiment. 

What I mean is you can look at the current discord within the party...and then look at how together the rats are and get an impression of failure for the GOP.  But it maybe the current soul searching for a cohesive GOP message is a logical function of process to get us on track with the voters.  The animosity between the two wings of the GOP might be natural for a minority party poised for a triumphant return.   I believe this country is ready to swing to the right again.  I think we get their faster with slow incremental change because the voters don't like to be rushed into stuff and they push back.

In Nov I wrote this to you
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,118976.msg482112.html#msg482112

With only one exception the parties have traded the White House every 8 years since 1944.
1944-1952 FDR/Truman
1952-1960 Ike
1960-1968 JFK/Johnson
1968-1976 Nixon/Ford
1976-1984 Carter/Reagan-one exception with extraordinary economic malaise
1984-1992 Reagan/Bush
1992-2000 Clinton
2000-2008 Bush
2008-2016 Obama

I believe the GOP will dominate in 2016, but I also believe the conservative wing of the GOP has accelerated to the right too fast and has lost sight of the center.  The centrist wing could bend to the right so the GOP can keep the party in balance...or the center may be a break on rightward momentum.  I'm not using the best words to express this but I'm too tired to polish it.  The point is conservatives will likely fare no better in fielding a popular candidate in 2016 than most any other election.

Conservative or moderate rule is acceptable rule to me when compaired to rat rule.  I can happily vote for any GOP candidate.  I'd take Ted Cruz over Hillary any day.  And I sure wish McCain or Romney had beat Obama.  But I didn't expect it.  What I expect next is 8 years of a GOP President and God willing a GOP Senate for what ever years are needed to pack the SCOTUS.


I wouldn't disagree with you.  I agree that things aren't binary - only computers are - and that there is a spectrum in the GOP that runs from just right of center to far right (i.e., conservative) and, even within one recognized subgroup there are differences; e.g., while they both might fall under the general category of "conservative," fiscal conservatives and social conservatives can be very different beasties.

I would also agree that a certain amount of dissension right now is healthy - certainly far healthier in the long run than the lockstep group-think of the democrats - but I do think that it's getting a little out of hand and, in part, I think it demonstrates that the GOP as a whole has lost far too much of the skills needed to make wise compromises.  I also think that fault exists all across the spectrum represented by the GOP.

Those closer to the conservative side have probably tried to push things too far, too fast, but those closer to the center side (i.e., generally, the so-called "moderates") have given away too much far too cheaply and have become appeasers and enablers to the democrats/liberals.  And I would assert that much of the fault for these failings comes down to the woeful lack of ability to make artful compromises, both within the GOP and with the democrats/liberals.

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Re: Sorry GOP, an 'R' Is Not Enough
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2013, 11:20:29 AM »
Liar!

Over the top.

Perhaps you are looking for a vacation from the forum.


If I were a moderator, that would be my call.


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« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2013, 12:15:13 PM »

Over the top.

Perhaps you are looking for a vacation from the forum.


If I were a moderator, that would be my call.




Moderators do as moderators do, but I would have to say that, from what I've seen, that is a fairly innocuous statement that wouldn't get a second's glance from a moderator.

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Re: Sorry GOP, an 'R' Is Not Enough
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2013, 07:06:24 PM »
Those closer to the conservative side have probably tried to push things too far, too fast, but those closer to the center side (i.e., generally, the so-called "moderates") have given away too much far too cheaply and have become appeasers and enablers to the democrats/liberals.  And I would assert that much of the fault for these failings comes down to the woeful lack of ability to make artful compromises, both within the GOP and with the democrats/liberals.

If one comes from the perspective of conservatism then one would see the compromises of centrists as giving away the farm.  From the view of centrists it's a logical concession when voters have given the other party control of the Presidency and the Senate.  Not sure that is any different than what you wrote.  Past that I agree with you.

Have a Merry Christmas Oceander.  I feel like I get a gift when I read your thoughtful posts.
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