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White House: No debt-ceiling negotiations
« on: December 16, 2013, 02:18:21 PM »
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December 16, 2013, 01:34 pm
White House: No debt-ceiling negotiations

By Justin Sink

The White House reiterated Monday that administration officials would not negotiate over the debt ceiling, after House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said over the weekend that Republicans would seek concessions in exchange for extending the limit on borrowing.

"The president's position has not changed," said White House press secretary Jay Carney.

Carney said officials were skeptical that Republicans would actually pursue the strategy after the polling hit the party took during the government shutdown earlier this year.

"We do not expect Republicans to walk that path again, precisely because it proved so disastrous," Carney said.

But Ryan on Sunday indicated the GOP would gather after the holidays "and discuss exactly what it is we're going to try and get" in exchange for raising the debt ceiling.

"We don't want nothing out of this debt limit," Ryan told Fox News. "We're going to decide what it is we can accomplish out of this debt-limit fight."

In October, Congress agreed to a deal that temporarily reopened the government and extended the debt ceiling until Feb. 7.

But Carney was insistent that "numerous statements from Republican leaders of all stripes essentially forsaking that strategy" meant the White House didn't have to worry about another debt-ceiling fight.

"We certainly don't expect them to do that again," he said.

Last month, President Obama likened the debt ceiling to a "loaded gun" at a forum with business executives.

"I think that the way our system is set up is like a loaded gun, and once people thought we can get leverage on policy disputes by threatening default, that was an extraordinarily dangerous precedent," he said.

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Re: White House: No debt-ceiling negotiations
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2013, 02:22:41 PM »
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Re: White House: No debt-ceiling negotiations
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2013, 02:25:40 PM »
It would be idiotic to change the subject from Obamacare. 
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Re: White House: No debt-ceiling negotiations
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2013, 02:28:35 PM »
It would be idiotic to change the subject from Obamacare.

It would be idiotic to give in to blackmail.
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Re: White House: No debt-ceiling negotiations
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2013, 02:33:02 PM »
It would be idiotic to give in to blackmail.

Blackmail?  You mean like insisting on "getting something" for raising the debt limit.

Look, Obama knows the GOP was so cowed by the shutdown that they're going to give in to raise the limit, so he's not going to budge. 

The Republicans should not, under any circumstances, take the focus off the continued failure of Obamacare. 
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Re: White House: No debt-ceiling negotiations
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2013, 03:27:57 PM »
"For those of us who would like a better federal budget deal, the answer is simple: help elect a GOP majority in U.S. Senate."

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Re: White House: No debt-ceiling negotiations
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2013, 03:30:02 PM »
Blackmail?  You mean like insisting on "getting something" for raising the debt limit.

Look, Obama knows the GOP was so cowed by the shutdown that they're going to give in to raise the limit, so he's not going to budge. 

The Republicans should not, under any circumstances, take the focus off the continued failure of Obamacare.

Since when is raising the debt limit not subject to political negotiation? Oh... when Democrats do it.

Since March 1962, Congress has enacted 78 separate changes to the debt limit.

60% of debt limit increases that included other legislative items came in Democratic Congresses while 15% came in Republican-led ones, and the remaining 25% were in divided ones. Debt-limit votes have, historically provided a regular vehicle for legislation. Since the consequences of government default are so severe, debt-limit legislation has always passed in the end, and it has often included important additional legislative accomplishments.

But in the Age of Obama, it's His Way, or the Highway. The highway to Hell, that is. And that's exactly where Republicans ought to tell him to go.

Giving up and giving in is bad strategy, bad politics, and it demoralizes the people whose support you need to win more seats.
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Re: White House: No debt-ceiling negotiations
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2013, 03:36:14 PM »
Since when is raising the debt limit not subject to political negotiation? Oh... when Democrats do it.

Since March 1962, Congress has enacted 78 separate changes to the debt limit.

60% of debt limit increases that included other legislative items came in Democratic Congresses while 15% came in Republican-led ones, and the remaining 25% were in divided ones. Debt-limit votes have, historically provided a regular vehicle for legislation. Since the consequences of government default are so severe, debt-limit legislation has always passed in the end, and it has often included important additional legislative accomplishments.

But in the Age of Obama, it's His Way, or the Highway. The highway to Hell, that is. And that's exactly where Republicans ought to tell him to go.

Giving up and giving in is bad strategy, bad politics, and it demoralizes the people whose support you need to win more seats.

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Re: White House: No debt-ceiling negotiations
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2013, 03:46:02 PM »
Can someone explain to this poor boy how you can't have a budget?

2nd Weds in March, our budget comes out. If it does not, the government is dissolved and elections are held. No excuses, no delays, no continuing resolutions - a full and (mostly) balanced budget or an election.
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Re: White House: No debt-ceiling negotiations
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2013, 04:21:23 PM »
Can someone explain to this poor boy how you can't have a budget?

Simple. You just ignore any law which requires a budget by such and such a date and then watch as nothing happens. There are no negative consequences, so who cares?
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