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In budget deal, a secret reward for Dems
« on: December 16, 2013, 10:51:23 AM »
http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/budget/193150-budget-deal-includes-secret-reward-for-senate-dems

December 15, 2013, 04:00 pm
In budget deal, a secret reward for Dems

By Erik Wasson

The two-year budget deal approved by the House has hidden political benefits for Senate Democrats, Republicans charge.

Because it sets a top-line budget number for 2015, Democrats won’t have to write and pass a budget resolution in the midterm election year.

That means vulnerable Democrats like Sens. Mark Pryor (Ark.), Mark Begich (Alaska), Kay Hagen (N.C.) and Mary Landrieu (La.) won’t have to take tough votes as part of a budget vote-o-rama.

Republicans are unhappy, as they believe the tough votes would have made it easier to defeat those candidates next fall and take control off the Senate in 2015. With ObamaCare's difficult rollout, forcing members to vote on many aspects of the healthcare law would be especially appealing.

The Senate is expected to vote on the budget deal on Tuesday.

Until this spring, when the Senate approved its first budget resolution in four years, Senate Democrats had repeatedly avoided passing a budget in part because of the problems it would have created for vulnerable members.

In two of the years in which the Senate failed to pass a budget, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) argued budget caps in the 2011 Budget Control Act law meant no resolution was legally necessary.

Republicans said Reid was wrong then, and he’d be wrong now if he used the new bill to avoid a budget vote.

“Yes we should do a budget every year and the Budget Control Act was used as an excuse and it was a poor excuse,” Senate Budget Committee Ranking Member Jeff Sessions told The Hill on Friday. “It seems to me it would be the same with this.”

At this point, Democrats aren’t committing to doing a new budget.

Eli Zupnick, a spokesman for Senate Budget Committee Chairman Patty Murray (D-Wash.), said she “certainty plans to continue the budget process next year and hopes that Democrats and Republicans can build on the bipartisan work done in the budget conference.”

“One of the benefits of this bipartisan budget deal is that Congress can move away from the constant crises and return to regular order,” he added. “Right now she is focusing on passing this budget deal. Once that’s done she will work with other members of the committee on the path forward for the FY15 budget.”

A source argued that the deal allows the 12 appropriations bills for 2015 to move forward and that will open up the chance for tough votes on the floor. 

House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) at this stage is committing to doing a budget resolution, his office said, even though it will likely put his conference on record again supporting controversial cuts to Medicare in an election year.

When Senate Democrats brought this year’s budget to the floor, Republicans offered hundreds of amendments. Many of them were controversial and were meant to force Democrats into tough votes, such as backing tax increases.

Four vulnerable Democrats — Pryor, Hagan, Begich and Sen. Max Baucus (Mont.), who decided against running for reelection — opposed the overall budget, which had nearly $1 trillion in new tax revenue. It squeaked through in a 50-49 vote.

Session said that the budget is a unique opportunity because the majority leader cannot use a procedural tactic known as filling the amendment tree to block amendments.

“It's the only time in the entire legislative process by which individual senators can get a vote on an amendment they care about because of this unprecedented filling of the tree keeps anybody from getting an amendment,” he said.

Sessions is also unhappy about another aspect of this year’s budget deal.

It would suspend a procedural point of order in the Senate against using revenue increases to offset new spending in the coming fiscal year.

That point of order has been used several times recently by Republicans to stop revenue-raising legislation.

Defenders of the deal argue that Republicans can still use the filibuster against a tax increase, though they acknowledge the point of order has been weakened in the deal.

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Re: In budget deal, a secret reward for Dems
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2013, 11:02:00 AM »

The two-year budget deal approved by the House has hidden political benefits for Senate Democrats, Republicans charge.

Because it sets a top-line budget number for 2015, Democrats won’t have to write and pass a budget resolution in the midterm election year.

That means vulnerable Democrats like Sens. Mark Pryor (Ark.), Mark Begich (Alaska), Kay Hagen (N.C.) and Mary Landrieu (La.) won’t have to take tough votes as part of a budget vote-o-rama.

Republicans are unhappy, as they believe the tough votes would have made it easier to defeat those candidates next fall and take control off the Senate in 2015. With ObamaCare's difficult rollout, forcing members to vote on many aspects of the healthcare law would be especially appealing.


The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.


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Re: In budget deal, a secret reward for Dems
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2013, 11:21:44 AM »
The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.

OK! So what is YOUR solution?

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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2013, 11:29:14 AM »
OK! So what is YOUR solution?

Easy there, big fella.

I'm just the canary in the coal mine...


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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2013, 11:31:43 AM »
Easy there, big fella.

I'm just the canary in the coal mine...

It's really easy to throw rocks at the guy who's actually in the arena. We need FAR less of that and a lot more well thought out SOLUTIONS to what is being trashed!


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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2013, 11:37:51 AM »
It's really easy to throw rocks at the guy who's actually in the arena. We need FAR less of that and a lot more well thought out SOLUTIONS to what is being trashed!

The first step to developing solutions is to understand the real problem...


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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2013, 11:44:11 AM »
The first step to developing solutions is to understand the real problem...

Agreed! (see how easy that was) Now what do YOU think the real problem is?

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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2013, 11:46:21 AM »
Agreed! (see how easy that was) Now what do YOU think the real problem is?

The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.

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Re: In budget deal, a secret reward for Dems
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2013, 11:49:29 AM »
LOL  I saw that coming

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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2013, 11:51:25 AM »
LOL  I saw that coming

I'm glad somebody understands me...

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Re: In budget deal, a secret reward for Dems
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2013, 11:52:14 AM »
The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.

OK! Now how do we FIX the problem?

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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2013, 11:56:21 AM »
OK! Now how do we FIX the problem?

Once enough people understand what the real problem is, the solution will become obvious...


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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2013, 12:06:29 PM »
Once enough people understand what the real problem is, the solution will become obvious...

Why don't you just tell us and take all the drama out of it?

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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2013, 12:10:42 PM »
Why don't you just tell us and take all the drama out of it?

Why don't you help the real problem become obvious to all?

The solution will then become obvious...


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Re: In budget deal, a secret reward for Dems
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2013, 02:09:00 PM »
Once enough people understand what the real problem is, the solution will become obvious...


Ah!

Therein lies the rub.

People must become smarter in order to stop making stupid decisions.

My take on that dilemma is the subject of the article below, somewhat dated but relevant to your post.

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“[Euthanasia] is what any State medical service has sooner or later got to face. If you are going to be kept alive in institutions run by and paid for by the State, you must accept the State’s right to economize when necessary …” The Ministry of Fear by Graham Green (New York: Penguin Books [1943] 2005, p. 165).

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Re: In budget deal, a secret reward for Dems
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2013, 02:19:40 PM »
bkmk


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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2013, 02:29:28 PM »

People must become smarter in order to stop making stupid decisions.


The problem with the GOP is that they are as treasonous as the Democrats.

They are 'controlled opposition', not 'the stupid party'.

It is to both the Democrats and the GOP's advantage to let GOP supporters continue to think that the GOP is 'stupid' lest people begin to hack at the root rather than the branches...


« Last Edit: December 16, 2013, 02:30:22 PM by GourmetDan »
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Re: In budget deal, a secret reward for Dems
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2013, 02:34:41 PM »
GOP.  The anti-Viagra.
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2013, 02:51:43 PM »
The problem with the GOP is that they are as treasonous as the Democrats.

They are 'controlled opposition', not 'the stupid party'.

It is to both the Democrats and the GOP's advantage to let GOP supporters continue to think that the GOP is 'stupid' lest people begin to hack at the root rather than the branches...

Actually, I think it is to the Dems and the GOP's advantage to have people believe they present alternatives to each other. There are no real core differences. They both value money, power, re election and advantage and any deceit that furthers their primary objective of maintaining a preferred status and lifestyle for themselves is acceptable to them. They have become the corrupt ruling class and will slop up any wealth they can from any source they can and don't particularly care what principals they have to pledge to at any particular time or in any particular election to sustain their status. The notion that we can alter any of this via elections has long ago been dispelled.

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« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2013, 03:06:11 PM »
Actually, I think it is to the Dems and the GOP's advantage to have people believe they present alternatives to each other. There are no real core differences. They both value money, power, re election and advantage and any deceit that furthers their primary objective of maintaining a preferred status and lifestyle for themselves is acceptable to them. They have become the corrupt ruling class and will slop up any wealth they can from any source they can and don't particularly care what principals they have to pledge to at any particular time or in any particular election to sustain their status. The notion that we can alter any of this via elections has long ago been dispelled.


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Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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Re: In budget deal, a secret reward for Dems
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2013, 05:30:52 PM »
Actually, I think it is to the Dems and the GOP's advantage to have people believe they present alternatives to each other. There are no real core differences. They both value money, power, re election and advantage and any deceit that furthers their primary objective of maintaining a preferred status and lifestyle for themselves is acceptable to them. They have become the corrupt ruling class and will slop up any wealth they can from any source they can and don't particularly care what principals they have to pledge to at any particular time or in any particular election to sustain their status. The notion that we can alter any of this via elections has long ago been dispelled.


So then, is it time to raise the Black Flag?

“[Euthanasia] is what any State medical service has sooner or later got to face. If you are going to be kept alive in institutions run by and paid for by the State, you must accept the State’s right to economize when necessary …” The Ministry of Fear by Graham Green (New York: Penguin Books [1943] 2005, p. 165).

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Re: In budget deal, a secret reward for Dems
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2013, 07:34:17 PM »
resisting an illegal force with a legal force is futile. Take that however you want


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