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Poor atheists think they are being 'rational' when they have simply accepted a different 'a priori' belief.

They are no more 'rational' than the believers that they despise, and are arguably less so...


« Last Edit: December 17, 2013, 09:07:08 AM by GourmetDan »
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What color denotes atheists and Muslim?

Surprised they didn't get more of the gray, none of your business, responses.

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The WaPo article isn't nearly as sensationalized as this article implies.  At any rate, here's the "non-christian" map:




and here's the breakdown of US counties by dominant christian denomination:




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What color denotes atheists and Muslim?

Surprised they didn't get more of the gray, none of your business, responses.

The map in the original post only reflects christian denominations.  There doesn't appear to be a map that compares all denominations, christian and non-christian.

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Poor atheists thing they are being 'rational' when they have simply accepted a different 'a priori' belief.

They are no more 'rational' than the believers that they despise, and are arguably less so...




Very true.

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Do you believe in "God" or do you "Believe Jesus Christ is your Lord and Save-yore?".  To some, anything beside the latter is "atheist". 
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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Do you believe in "God" or do you "Believe Jesus Christ is your Lord and Save-yore?".  To some, anything beside the latter is "atheist".


I am most curious why you have such a negative opinion of religion.
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Funny how protestant  non-denomination churches are ignored.   Here in the NW, if you drive by a Church that sits more than 700 people at each service, you are probably driving by one of these mega non-denomination churches.  Lots of other denominations splintered off decades ago from Lutheran, Presbyterian and Baptist are also not recognized on the chart.     
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I am most curious why you have such a negative opinion of religion.

I don't.  Just seem to think it's a bit odd that one religion would attempt to lay claim as the "true" religion or the "true God". 
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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I don't.  Just seem to think it's a bit odd that one religion would attempt to lay claim as the "true" religion or the "true God".
Odd? Charges that others' faiths are hellishly wrong seems to be a central aspect of most religions.


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I don't.  Just seem to think it's a bit odd that one religion would attempt to lay claim as the "true" religion or the "true God".

I believe God exists, I don't think he cares where or how we choose to worship. 

Just out of curiosity are you Jewish?  I only ask because I realize they don't recognize Jesus because they don't believe he fulfilled Messianic Prophecies or embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah as prophet and the Messiah has not come yet.  I remember when I was just a child having a neighbor who was Jewish and having a lot of conversations with him about this as we were out riding horses in the desert - strange conversations for kids to have, but I remember them to this day.  His Judaism was so foreign to me that I was fascinated hearing his explanations of his religion.
 

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I believe God exists, I don't think he cares where or how we choose to worship. 

Just out of curiosity are you Jewish?  I only ask because I realize they don't recognize Jesus because they don't believe he fulfilled Messianic Prophecies or embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah as prophet and the Messiah has not come yet.  I remember when I was just a child having a neighbor who was Jewish and having a lot of conversations with him about this as we were out riding horses in the desert - strange conversations for kids to have, but I remember them to this day.  His Judaism was so foreign to me that I was fascinated hearing his explanations of his religion.

Actually, I'm not Jewish, although I have always found the Old Testament to be more comforting that the New.  Don't care too much for the dietary restrictions.  There's another aspect I have in common but not good to discuss in mixed company but was more in my parent's hands, if you pardon the expression, than mine.
I would be Zoroastrian, but they frown on conversion.  They believe, the religion you are born is the "correct one" as God (Ahura Mazda) doesn't make mistakes. 
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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I believe God exists, I don't think he cares where or how we choose to worship. 

Just out of curiosity are you Jewish?  I only ask because I realize they don't recognize Jesus because they don't believe he fulfilled Messianic Prophecies or embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah as prophet and the Messiah has not come yet.  I remember when I was just a child having a neighbor who was Jewish and having a lot of conversations with him about this as we were out riding horses in the desert - strange conversations for kids to have, but I remember them to this day.  His Judaism was so foreign to me that I was fascinated hearing his explanations of his religion.

I gave this a more thought (I'm wont to pick at loose strings!).  It's not Christ I have the problems with as much as those who claim to be "Christian".  Those, who in their zeal to be the perfect Christian, miss the mark entirely.
For example, as I have mentioned previously, Christ wasn't mocking the Pharisees simply because they were an easy target.  It was a warning as to what not to become and it's fallen upon deaf ears.  A crystal cathedral?  A televangical empire?  For whom?  It sure isn't for His glory.
On this forum, how many denied the TRUE meaning of His teachings and conveniently forgotten who He did choose for examples.  Many would deny His outreach to Zacchaeus, the tax collector?  The adulteress, at her stoning?  The Centurion with the sick servant (which, by the way is one of my favorite parables.).  Dismas, upon His own crucifixion, addressed the thief.
But no, we have "Limbaugh the Clever", weighing in with His own sense of infallibility.  To deny the tenet of Christian charity and it's social requirement is to turn one's back on a cornerstone of God's law.  One doesn't give charity as an indulgence, to cleanse one's conscience, an act comparable to Martin Sheen sleeping on a sewer grate for one night but to deprive oneself of luxury or comfort for the long term.  That is the point of a wealthy man not being able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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I believe God exists, I don't think he cares where or how we choose to worship. 

Just out of curiosity are you Jewish?  I only ask because I realize they don't recognize Jesus because they don't believe he fulfilled Messianic Prophecies or embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah as prophet and the Messiah has not come yet.  I remember when I was just a child having a neighbor who was Jewish and having a lot of conversations with him about this as we were out riding horses in the desert - strange conversations for kids to have, but I remember them to this day.  His Judaism was so foreign to me that I was fascinated hearing his explanations of his religion.

Additionally (apologies, this is just the way my mind works these days), if one believes Christ died for our sins, what do we forsake when we are asked to surrender our material possessions?  This is why it's incomprehensible to the human mind to follow in His footsteps.
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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Should one continue to give one's material possessions to the "poor" if the "poor" are those who simply choose not to work to support themselves and instead prefer to live off of the charity of others?

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Should one continue to give one's material possessions to the "poor" if the "poor" are those who simply choose not to work to support themselves and instead prefer to live off of the charity of others?

There needs to be an honest national dialogue on the difference between "a leg up" and "a hammock".
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There needs to be an honest national dialogue on the difference between "a leg up" and "a hammock".

I quite agree.  However, for the present purposes I'm interested in knowing what the Christian perspective on the question is.

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There needs to be an honest national dialogue on the difference between "a leg up" and "a hammock".

That's why charity was historically a local, private effort.  Those who are closest to the 'problem' are best equipped to assess it.

Moving it to a national obligation is the problem, and it isn't 'solvable' at that level...


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Should one continue to give one's material possessions to the "poor" if the "poor" are those who simply choose not to work to support themselves and instead prefer to live off of the charity of others?

Are you giving to charity for the sake of charity, what difference does it make?  If you're going to give to charity, shouldn't it be unconditional.  If someone is taking advantage of the charity of others, that is between God and the person taking advantage  It shouldn't be to keep score, let not the right hand know.
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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Are you giving to charity for the sake of charity, what difference does it make?  If you're going to give to charity, shouldn't it be unconditional.  If someone is taking advantage of the charity of others, that is between God and the person taking advantage  It shouldn't be to keep score, let not the right hand know.


You may be right, but.....I keep thinking of the TRULY needy family that was next in line and will go hungry or homeless or not get the proper medications.

Why should I accept any of that guilt?

I give $$$ directly to the person in need. 

I play a game in my head that it's Jesus in disguise....just to test me.   LOL!   
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Are you giving to charity for the sake of charity, what difference does it make?  If you're going to give to charity, shouldn't it be unconditional.  If someone is taking advantage of the charity of others, that is between God and the person taking advantage  It shouldn't be to keep score, let not the right hand know.

Not really.

We are to be wise stewards of our resources, not blind automatons helping to lock others into destructive lifestyles...


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Not really.

We are to be wise stewards of our resources, not blind automatons helping to lock others into destructive lifestyles...

Are we to wait until all are dead and then pick which we could have saved?
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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That's why charity was historically a local, private effort.  Those who are closest to the 'problem' are best equipped to assess it.

Moving it to a national obligation is the problem, and it isn't 'solvable' at that level...


Moving anything other than national defense to the national level is the problem.


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