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Politico...GOP and conservative groups: The breakup begins
« on: December 12, 2013, 09:13:10 PM »

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Re: Politico...GOP and conservative groups: The breakup begins
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2013, 09:47:59 PM »
169 Republicans thumbed their noses at Jim DeMint and Matt Hoskins tonight.

It will be very difficult for SCF to whip up the same level of indignation they did to force the shutdown of those kind of numbers continue to ignore them.

Ironically, the shutdown--viewed by many of these Tea Party as their greatest triumph--may be their undoing, since it failed so miserably.

Just by declaring something to be so does not make it so.
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2013, 09:51:40 PM »
169 Republicans thumbed their noses at Jim DeMint and Matt Hoskins tonight.

It will be very difficult for SCF to whip up the same level of indignation they did to force the shutdown of those kind of numbers continue to ignore them.

Ironically, the shutdown--viewed by many of these Tea Party as their greatest triumph--may be their undoing, since it failed so miserably.

Just by declaring something to be so does not make it so.

You are truly pathetic.  You give John Kerry competition in the changing sides category.  A month ago you were praising Boehner for holding the line on Sequester and you SWORE Boehner would NEVER back down on any part of Sequester.

Today Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and CHRIS MATTHEWS are all praising Boehner -- you are in their company cheer-leading the destruction of this country....... all to protect your precious, precious non-Republican Republicans... BTW you did read that the McCain amnesty woman went to work for Boehner last week and this is all to push through Amnesty - something you USED to be against - of course the way you change positions I'm sure when Boehner pushes it through you will cheer him on.

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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2013, 09:58:29 PM »
You are truly pathetic.  You give John Kerry competition in the changing sides category.  A month ago you were praising Boehner for holding the line on Sequester and you SWORE Boehner would NEVER back down on any part of Sequester.

Today Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and CHRIS MATTHEWS are all praising Boehner -- you are in their company cheer-leading the destruction of this country....... all to protect your precious, precious non-Republican Republicans... BTW you did read that the McCain amnesty woman went to work for Boehner last week and this is all to push through Amnesty - something you USED to be against - of course the way you change positions I'm sure when Boehner pushes it through you will cheer him on.

It's become impossible to have any kind of discussion with you because your entire argument is one long personal attack.

Can't you have a reasonable discussion?  I attacked you nowhere on this thread, yet the above is nothing but one long piss and moan against me.

Sorry you lost the vote tonight.  Things might have been different if these money-raising machines hadn't fell on their faces during the shutdown.
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2013, 10:00:21 PM »
So... you are happy with Boehner doing what you SWORE he would not do..... got it.   


House overwhelmingly passes budget deal that rolls back the sequester

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Re: Politico...GOP and conservative groups: The breakup begins
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2013, 10:01:50 PM »
So... you are happy with Boehner doing what you SWORE he would not do..... got it.   


House overwhelmingly passes budget deal that rolls back the sequester


.....and screws military retirees once again!!!

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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2013, 10:03:54 PM »

.....and screws military retirees once again!!!

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Re: Politico...GOP and conservative groups: The breakup begins
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2013, 10:06:49 PM »
So... you are happy with Boehner doing what you SWORE he would not do..... got it.   


House overwhelmingly passes budget deal that rolls back the sequester

I'm not happy about that, but I AM happy that we now have a clear path to take on the Democrats over Obamacare without the worry of a bunch of renegades trying to shut down the government and change the subject.

The Republicans had a weak hand in these budget negotiations because the main thing driving them was the desire to avoid another shutdown, and have the party's standing drop into negative territory.  You can thank the Tea Party heroes, Cruz and Lee and their cronies at FreedwomWorks, SCF, and Heritage Action for that.
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2013, 10:08:36 PM »
It would be soooooooooooooo nice if just once you would drop the talking points and say something accurate. Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and the Tea Party did not shut down the government. Harry Reid and Obama shut down the government.

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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2013, 10:12:20 PM »
It would be soooooooooooooo nice if just once you would drop the talking points and say something accurate. Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and the Tea Party did not shut down the government. Harry Reid and Obama shut down the government.

Sorry, but that's not the way 98% of the country saw it, including most Republicans. 

It was foolish in the extreme to actually think there was any way Obama would sign a bill defunding Obamacare.  Even Matt Hoskins at SCF admitted that after the shutdown was over;  Rand Paul said the very same thing two weeks ago.
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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2013, 10:15:05 PM »
Face it, Sink... you change positions depending on what the talking points of the day out of Boehner and McConnells offices are.

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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2013, 10:16:09 PM »
Face it, Sink... you change positions depending on what the talking points of the day out of Boehner and McConnells offices are.

You're wrong, but you have your story and you're sticking to it.
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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2013, 10:17:19 PM »
You're wrong, but you have your story and you're sticking to it.

Nope... it's quite clear you will fall on any sword the statists in DC tell you to fall on.. case in point TARP - spent 5% of the GDP on that boondoggle you supported.

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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2013, 10:20:50 PM »
Nope... it's quite clear you will fall on any sword the statists in DC tell you to fall on.. case in point TARP - spent 5% of the GDP on that boondoggle you supported.

Digging up TARP is the best you can do?  The consensus among economists is that TARP was the right thing to do.

Nearly every dime of TARP money has been paid back and its enactment prevented a much worse disaster.

But that's a disagreement over policy that you treat as a violation of conservative dogma.  You can do that, but most people have gotten over it.
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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2013, 10:33:01 PM »
Digging up TARP is the best you can do?  The consensus among economists is that TARP was the right thing to do.

Nearly every dime of TARP money has been paid back and its enactment prevented a much worse disaster.

But that's a disagreement over policy that you treat as a violation of conservative dogma.  You can do that, but most people have gotten over it.

No it hasn't been paid back.  Even saying that shows how little you are willing to ever look below the surface. They used shell game/smoke and mirrors to claim it was paid back - just as they did with GM... and the reason I brought it up is one more example of how you always buy into the easy way - you seem to think the debt can just keep going up, up, up and all will be fine as long as you, personally, don't suffer because of it. 

And one other thing... your comment above justifying your mis-statements about the shut down because what you said is the "perception" does not justify repeating something over and over again that is not factual... it is up to every single one of us to correct the record and state the facts, not fallacy, we've had too much re-writing history as it is.

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Re: Politico...GOP and conservative groups: The breakup begins
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2013, 10:34:23 PM »
.self edit.  not worth it.....
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Re: Politico...GOP and conservative groups: The breakup begins
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2013, 10:37:48 PM »
.self edit.  not worth it.....

Sorry to see you hold back on your comments.....

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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2013, 10:41:49 PM »
No it hasn't been paid back.  Even saying that shows how little you are willing to ever look below the surface. They used shell game/smoke and mirrors to claim it was paid back - just as they did with GM... and the reason I brought it up is one more example of how you always buy into the easy way - you seem to think the debt can just keep going up, up, up and all will be fine as long as you, personally, don't suffer because of it. 

And one other thing... your comment above justifying your mis-statements about the shut down because what you said is the "perception" does not justify repeating something over and over again that is not factual... it is up to every single one of us to correct the record and state the facts, not fallacy, we've had too much re-writing history as it is.

Rap, it IS factual that the government would never have shutdown had Ted Cruz not insisted that the House pass a budget defunding Obamacare.  That budget was DOA in the Senate, Cruz KNEW it would be DOA in the Senate, and he also knew that Obama would veto it if it did pass the Senate.

Do you actually believe that Obama would sign a bill to defund Obamacare?  Tell me you don't really believe that.

And, I wish you would stop putting words in my mouth, this time regarding the debt.  You do that a lot, not just to me.  You don't know what other people are thinking, or what they really believe, so you just create strawmen or make stuff up.

As I said before, though, you have your story and you're sticking to it. 
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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2013, 10:49:00 PM »
Sorry to see you hold back on your comments.....

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LOL!!  Maybe some other time...  Things like seeing this kind of garbage pass through the House (that is supposed to be "representing" us!) and being told that we should be cheering for it, well..... kinds of turns my stomach............  These things make me sometimes say things that I prefer not to in public.....

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Re: Politico...GOP and conservative groups: The breakup begins
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Re: Politico...GOP and conservative groups: The breakup begins
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2013, 08:41:55 AM »
The 169 GOP Representatives will soon wish they never embraced Ryan's sell out and particularly the resulting consequences.  Several GOP Senators are set to filibuster the budget scam.  More GOP Senators are against it including Sessions, McConnell, Cornyn, Thune, Roberts, Cruz, Rubio, Paul, Lee, and Flake.  Even Corker, Graham, Ayotte, and Wicker have announced their opposition!

The House Republicans supporting this bill will have little cover.  It will be fun to watch these cockroaches run from the spotlight!  Hope they all receive strong primary challengers!

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Re: Politico...GOP and conservative groups: The breakup begins
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2013, 08:56:25 AM »
The 169 GOP Representatives will soon wish they never embraced Ryan's sell out and particularly the resulting consequences.  Several GOP Senators are set to filibuster the budget scam.  More GOP Senators are against it including Sessions, McConnell, Cornyn, Thune, Roberts, Cruz, Rubio, Paul, Lee, and Flake.  Even Corker, Graham, Ayotte, and Wicker have announced their opposition!

The House Republicans supporting this bill will have little cover.  It will be fun to watch these cockroaches run from the spotlight!  Hope they all receive strong primary challengers!

Cockroaches, pretty much says it all.

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Re: Politico...GOP and conservative groups: The breakup begins
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2013, 09:03:57 AM »
I'm not happy about that, but I AM happy that we now have a clear path to take on the Democrats over Obamacare without the worry of a bunch of renegades trying to shut down the government and change the subject.

The Republicans had a weak hand in these budget negotiations because the main thing driving them was the desire to avoid another shutdown, and have the party's standing drop into negative territory.  You can thank the Tea Party heroes, Cruz and Lee and their cronies at FreedwomWorks, SCF, and Heritage Action for that.

I actually supported the shutdown. I thought it effective insofar as it clearly messaged the entire nation that the GOP would go to any length to avoid the disastrous consequences that the implementation of the ACA would have on the American people and the American economy, right before the plan was implemented, and it made the Democrats stand in support of the legislation one more time.

Sure, the shutdown cost the GOP some points in the court of public opinion, but the people's opinion of the GOP was pretty bad before the shutdown anyway.

Then implementation, website failures, lies exposed, cancellations, sticker shock, and suddenly the shutdown gambit gave the GOP the ability to paint themselves as the champion of the people.

A second shutdown has no purpose other than divert the attention of the people away from the administration's failures, so this compromise was needed to keep the public's attention focused on the ACA and Obama's failures.  So I agree with you... in all likelihood the Democrats were "negotiating" with the idea of forcing another shutdown, and that shutdown would actually be harmful for the GOP in the short-term.

I like Ted Cruz.

I like him for the same reason that Lincoln liked and supported Ulysses S. Grant. "He fights" said Lincoln about Grant, and Cruz fights too but like Grant, he needs to know when and where it is best to do so for the greater cause. 

The T.E.A. Party's influence on the GOP is commensurate to the number of chairs the occupy at the table, and that's the way it should be. If they want more influence, they need to gain more seats. If they threaten to kick the table over unless they can control the party from a minority position, they are dead wrong.

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Re: Politico...GOP and conservative groups: The breakup begins
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2013, 09:24:57 AM »
Nice to see you posting again, Luis!    :beer:

It also provides a little more context to the back and forth bickering here on the forum.

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