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Re: The Nuclear Option: Russian Diplomats Found Socialist Paradise in U.S.
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2013, 09:41:05 PM »
Total amateurs. The US Embassy staff here in London could teach them the odd thing or two about extracting money from the host country.
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Re: The Nuclear Option: Russian Diplomats Found Socialist Paradise in U.S.
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2013, 11:13:40 PM »
Total amateurs. The US Embassy staff here in London could teach them the odd thing or two about extracting money from the host country.

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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2013, 11:31:23 PM »
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Re: The Nuclear Option: Russian Diplomats Found Socialist Paradise in U.S.
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Re: The Nuclear Option: Russian Diplomats Found Socialist Paradise in U.S.
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2013, 11:49:10 PM »
Parking tickets aren't in the same arena.  The same issue arises in NYC viz. parking, and foreign diplomats get off scot-free from parking tickets just the same.

Well - the same staff who have run up those tickets get their medical treatment on the NHS - without paying in, I may add.

I'm curious about the situation in New York. Has any guest country run up a comparable level of fines?
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2013, 11:52:17 PM »
Well - the same staff who have run up those tickets get their medical treatment on the NHS - without paying in, I may add.

I'm curious about the situation in New York. Has any guest country run up a comparable level of fines?

Now you're pulling out the goodies!  Question tho':  is NHS designed to allow foreign individuals like embassy staff to use the services?  If so, it's probably part of the quid pro quo between the US and the UK and it's getting paid for somehow, or else it's written off as part of the cost of maintaining the "special relationship."  Somewhat similar to the fact that most diplomats and embassy/consulate employees who are foreigners don't pay US income tax on their earnings.

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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2013, 12:12:27 AM »
Now you're pulling out the goodies!  Question tho':  is NHS designed to allow foreign individuals like embassy staff to use the services?  If so, it's probably part of the quid pro quo between the US and the UK and it's getting paid for somehow, or else it's written off as part of the cost of maintaining the "special relationship."  Somewhat similar to the fact that most diplomats and embassy/consulate employees who are foreigners don't pay US income tax on their earnings.

No person who is not a UK national or a citizen of an EU country with a reciprocal agreement (all of them), should be using the NHS. The point gets stretched for tourists with none pre-existing conditions, despite the fact they should have travel insurance. After all, if a Canadian backpacker gets hit by a taxi, they can hardly be airlifted home and the NHS has a passel of lawyers to go after the driver's insurance company on behalf of the patient.

The bolded bit though - though it is a slight diversion - how would the IRS even have a claim on earnings? International law is pretty firm that the embassy is foreign soil. A foreign national, earning their money on the soil of their native country?
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Re: The Nuclear Option: Russian Diplomats Found Socialist Paradise in U.S.
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2013, 12:28:22 AM »
No person who is not a UK national or a citizen of an EU country with a reciprocal agreement (all of them), should be using the NHS. The point gets stretched for tourists with none pre-existing conditions, despite the fact they should have travel insurance. After all, if a Canadian backpacker gets hit by a taxi, they can hardly be airlifted home and the NHS has a passel of lawyers to go after the driver's insurance company on behalf of the patient.

The bolded bit though - though it is a slight diversion - how would the IRS even have a claim on earnings? International law is pretty firm that the embassy is foreign soil. A foreign national, earning their money on the soil of their native country?

Because they live in US territory, not on the embassy grounds, and if they spend more than 183 days in the year living in the US, then - without rules to vary the result - they are US residents and as such as subject to US income tax on their worldwide income, no matter where it's earned.  The general rules under the IRC exclude diplomats and some staff from the residency rules (although they're still subject to tax on their US source income, such as investment earnings).  Income tax treaties tend to complete the job, ensuring that foreign diplomats and foreign embassy staff are not taxed on their earnings from serving as such.


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