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Pope Francis, The Choice....Person of the Year
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Re: Pope Francis, The Choice....Person of the Year
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2013, 10:29:09 AM »
As a man who leads by example, Francis may be the best pope in our lifetimes.

As a crafter of church dogma, however, he is a dangerous socialist who puts too much faith in secular government. It appears that instead of winning souls to God, he is trying to move God to the souls of lefty hipsters by emphasizing the sowing of envy among the poor and ignoring social issues.

His attempts will, in the end, fail. God will not be mocked.

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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2013, 11:40:05 AM »
As a man who leads by example, Francis may be the best pope in our lifetimes.

As a crafter of church dogma, however, he is a dangerous socialist who puts too much faith in secular government. It appears that instead of winning souls to God, he is trying to move God to the souls of lefty hipsters by emphasizing the sowing of envy among the poor and ignoring social issues.

His attempts will, in the end, fail. God will not be mocked.

Pope Francis does not "craft" Catholic dogma.  He explains it, demonstrates it, puts faith into action.   

Your comment about "sowing envy" makes no sense and Francis is not "ignoring" social issues.  Everybody knows where the Catholic Church stands on social issues.

Is caring for the poor not a social issue?  Jesus made it the NUMBER ONE determinant for who and who would not enter heaven.  Read Matthew 25.
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Re: Pope Francis, The Choice....Person of the Year
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2013, 12:39:18 PM »
He said everyone will go to heaven which is contrary to God's teaching. As popes go he is the worst the Catholic church has ever had. He certainly doesn't sound like a Christian. Not saying he isn't a good man just saying what he says goes against the bible and that is what counts not his personal opinions. A leader of a Christian church has no right to say what he says when it goes against God's word he is suppose to lead people to the church not tell them it is ok to be a heathen.

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Re: Pope Francis, The Choice....Person of the Year
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2013, 12:52:45 PM »
He said everyone will go to heaven which is contrary to God's teaching. As popes go he is the worst the Catholic church has ever had. He certainly doesn't sound like a Christian. Not saying he isn't a good man just saying what he says goes against the bible and that is what counts not his personal opinions. A leader of a Christian church has no right to say what he says when it goes against God's word he is suppose to lead people to the church not tell them it is ok to be a heathen.

Francis never said everyone will go to heaven.  That's just a flat out lie.

As Popes go, he is changing the image of the Catholic Church, which needed changing.  Some of these tight-assed evangelical churches could do with a makeover too.

Nothing he's saying "goes against the bible" (what a ludicrous charge!!), nor is it against "God's Word." 

You just don't like the Catholic Church, so none of what you say is a surprise.
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Re: Pope Francis, The Choice....Person of the Year
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2013, 02:01:18 PM »
I have liked popes of the past so once again your saying I don't like the Catholic church which I was raised in and went to school with for 12 years is crazy. I doubt you know what you are talking about anyway sinkspur just seeing your answers here shows me you know very little about the Christian faith and evangelicals should never change they are trying to live God's word unlike most so called Christians today. You can't update God's word it is always the same no matter what century we live in. Have you ever even read the bible? It is not something many Catholics ever do at least not when I was attending that church and in contact with many Catholics. Knowing the Kennedy's, Robert's and Pelosi's of this world are Catholic gives an insight into what the church has turned into.


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Re: Pope Francis, The Choice....Person of the Year
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2013, 02:11:18 PM »
I think most of  our Catholic friends here would agree that  Billy Graham would have been far more deserving.  The Message To America video he did this year at the age of 95 is a must see.   

I'm not going to use this space to criticize your Pope, but if you want to focus on life-time achievements of bringing people to Christ and turning lost lives around the Reverend Billy Graham I think far surpasses everyone on the planet of any denomination. 


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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2013, 02:20:30 PM »
I think even our Catholic friends here would agree that  Billy Graham would have been far more deserving. The Message To America video he did this year at the age of 95 is a must see.

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Billy Graham is a great human being and a national treasure but had no effect whatsoever on world events this year. 
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2013, 02:25:47 PM »
I have liked popes of the past so once again your saying I don't like the Catholic church which I was raised in and went to school with for 12 years is crazy. I doubt you know what you are talking about anyway sinkspur just seeing your answers here shows me you know very little about the Christian faith and evangelicals should never change they are trying to live God's word unlike most so called Christians today. You can't update God's word it is always the same no matter what century we live in. Have you ever even read the bible? It is not something many Catholics ever do at least not when I was attending that church and in contact with many Catholics. Knowing the Kennedy's, Robert's and Pelosi's of this world are Catholic gives an insight into what the church has turned into.

Once again, you reflect an anti-Catholic bias that colors your view of the Church and everything about it and everyone in it.  The Church is the Church; because it has sinners in it does not mean it has "turned into" what you think it's turned into. 

To answer your question, yes, I have read the Bible and studied it extensively. 
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Re: Pope Francis, The Choice....Person of the Year
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2013, 03:20:27 PM »
I think most of  our Catholic friends here would agree that  Billy Graham would have been far more deserving.  The Message To America video he did this year at the age of 95 is a must see.   

I'm not going to use this space to criticize your Pope, but if you want to focus on life-time achievements of bringing people to Christ and turning lost lives around the Reverend Billy Graham I think far surpasses everyone on the planet of any denomination. 


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Think about Time and who they choose for their men of the year...Hitler was one, Mussolini, also.. I don't think being named man of the year is  a compliment unless you're a lefty.

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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2013, 03:25:53 PM »
The purpose of religion is teach the congregation... no matter the church .. the word of GOD... and HE does not specify a specific faith we all should belong to in order to receive his word.

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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2013, 07:17:58 PM »
The purpose of religion is teach the congregation... no matter the church .. the word of GOD... and HE does not specify a specific faith we all should belong to in order to receive his word.

I'll have to disagree with you a bit on this one. The  "purpose of religion" is to establish and enforce the Law.  The old Testament Jews are a great example of religious people  living under the Law.  God wants his Church (not a religion) to teach the Good News of the Gospel, - that the love that was poured out on Calvary freed us from "the law" and from death.

As for all the different denominations, and Catholic vs. Protestant, evangelical vs. charismatic, and Mormon's vs. everybody - I'd rather not enter the fray. I found a church that I feel at home in, I like the music, I enjoy the worship, and I enjoy the pastor's message, and most importantly I made sure the fundamental beliefs of Christianity are the foundation.   I wish we would all choose the church we go to in the same way. So many people put denomination first.
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Re: Pope Francis, The Choice....Person of the Year
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2013, 09:27:12 PM »
Billy Graham is a great human being and a national treasure but had no effect whatsoever on world events this year.

Seconded. His Message to America is inspiring though and well worth keeping!

Though in terms of effect on world events, Pope Benedict may have been a better fit. His Holiness certainly revolutionized the Church with one simple act!
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Re: Pope Francis, The Choice....Person of the Year
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2013, 09:42:49 PM »
Think about Time and who they choose for their men of the year...Hitler was one, Mussolini, also.. I don't think being named man of the year is  a compliment unless you're a lefty.
The Person of the Year is simply a measure of influence, not necessarily good or bad. In this case, the pontiff was indeed probably the most influential person in the world this year.

Especially compared to the competition. Vlad Putin may have been the only real competition and he wasn't even on the final ballot. Ed Snowden wasn't quite at that level-- a media darling more than anything (and it's no small wonder why openly gay Glenn Greenwald is outraged that a Catholic got the award instead). Edith Windsor was a replaceable pawn for the lone event she was notable for, an event that was bound to happen eventually. If Ted Cruz had any influence, the ACA would have been repealed by now. (Not a shot against Cruz, but more against Harry Reid, how crooked he is and how stupid the American people were for getting suckered into Todd Akin.) Finally, Miley Cyrus... people disgrace themselves every month, that doesn't earn them the title of Person of the Year.

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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2013, 09:48:04 PM »
The Person of the Year is simply a measure of influence, not necessarily good or bad. In this case, the pontiff was indeed probably the most influential person in the world this year.

Especially compared to the competition. Vlad Putin may have been the only real competition and he wasn't even on the final ballot. Ed Snowden wasn't quite at that level-- a media darling more than anything (and it's no small wonder why openly gay Glenn Greenwald is outraged that a Catholic got the award instead). Edith Windsor was a replaceable pawn for the lone event she was notable for, an event that was bound to happen eventually. If Ted Cruz had any influence, the ACA would have been repealed by now. (Not a shot against Cruz, but more against Harry Reid, how crooked he is and how stupid the American people were for getting suckered into Todd Akin.) Finally, Miley Cyrus... people disgrace themselves every month, that doesn't earn them the title of Person of the Year.

Did you know Snowden came in #2??? (yep #2)  and when you are on a the same list as Miley Cyrus  :thud:

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Re: Pope Francis, The Choice....Person of the Year
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2013, 10:03:15 PM »
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