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Why am I doubting this story?  :shrug:

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Somehow I doubt it.
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No, I read about this new gang, "The Leather Matzohs".
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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No, I read about this new gang, "The Leather Matzohs".

Really?

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Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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He looks like he got drunk and fell down.

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He looks like he was in a one on one fight. If 15 or 20 guys did it, he would look a lot worse. I bet they came upon the scene and were going to help him. Or, it's possible this was a knockout gone awry. Whatever it was, I can't picture Hasidic Jews doing this.

It's even possible he got thrown out of a car for pulling some crap on the driver or another passenger.

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Uh huh. How would they have known that?  Did he lie on the ground screaming, "I'm gay! I'm gay!"?

 He certainly was alone and black - and extremely drunk - but all his other "reasons" would not have been apparent to the supposed assailants.


They could certainly have assumed - they've done that before (see the story about David Flores that I cite to in my earlier post) - and it might have been apparent based on his clothes and the way he walked, for example.  Just to be clear, the Shomrim (hasidic vigilantes, essentially) assumed that David Flores was muslim and yelled anti-muslim slurs at him while they beat him, even though David is actually Christian, apparently because of something he was wearing.  Ergo, it is reasonable to assume that - just like most other people - these hasidic gangs will frequently draw conclusions about people based on what they can see or hear, and some of those conclusions will turn out to be wrong sometimes.

I, too, thought that this story sounded outlandish, until I went and did a little quick searching, which turned up a lot of info from reliable sources that demonstrates that this story could very well be true.

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He looks like he was in a one on one fight. If 15 or 20 guys did it, he would look a lot worse. I bet they came upon the scene and were going to help him. Or, it's possible this was a knockout gone awry. Whatever it was, I can't picture Hasidic Jews doing this.

It's even possible he got thrown out of a car for pulling some crap on the driver or another passenger.

No.  Here's what 20 hasidic vigilantes did to a man they pulled out of his car and beat - because they thought he was masturbating (last I checked, that isn't a crime in NYC, period):




It's completely possible that this was done to him by a hasidic posse.

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Christians could learn a thing or two from these people.  Those in the rougher neighborhoods around the globe.
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Hasidic Jews, really? 4:30 AM on Sunday, December 1st, which would still be Shabbat Mevarchim and not end until Molad- which would be 5:15AM NYC time.

(IE, it was still the Blessing of the First of the Month Sabbath which doesn't end until the following moonrise- an observant Hasidic Jew would not be out fighting (or any physical activity) at this time).

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Shabbat Mevarchim on November 30th. - http://www.chabad.org/calendar/view/day.asp?tdate=11/30/2013
Molad information (indicating end of Shabbat). http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/216238/jewish/Molad-Times.htm
Local moonrise times for NYC. - http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=179&month=12&year=2013&obj=moon&afl=-11&day=1


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Christians could learn a thing or two from these people.  Those in the rougher neighborhoods around the globe.

Indeed; not the least of which would be taking this as an example of what not to do.  Racist violence ill-becomes anyone, jews and christians included.

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Indeed; not the least of which would be taking this as an example of what not to do.  Racist violence ill-becomes anyone, jews and christians included.

Retribution is fine, especially exponentially.
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Retribution is fine, especially exponentially.
But when does it end? Northern Ireland stayed wound up for decades, mainly as a vicious cycle of retribution.
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Retribution is fine, especially exponentially.

But when does it end? Northern Ireland stayed wound up for decades, mainly as a vicious cycle of retribution.

More or less, what truth_seeker said.

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Retribution is fine, especially exponentially.

I don't believe in collective damnation any more than I believe in collective salvation. Retribution because someone may be a member of a group so vague as being defined by a certain level of melatonin is as bad as the game itself.

(however, per my previous post, I don't buy this attack for a moment).

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Question:
[[ But when does it end? ]]

Answer:
Actually, it "ends" when a nation is established in which is culturally, ethnically, and (horror of horrors!) racially homogenous.

Was not that whole point of "nations" to begin with?

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Question:
[[ But when does it end? ]]

Answer:
Actually, it "ends" when a nation is established in which is culturally, ethnically, and (horror of horrors!) racially homogenous.

Was not that whole point of "nations" to begin with?

I very seriously doubt that was the whole point of "nations" to begin with.  The facts, and the theories, are a little too messy to support that contention.  The American nation-state known as the United States of America was not homogeneous in any of those senses and it was part and parcel of the republican structure adopted by the Founders, including the concept of dual sovereigns, that the US would maintain to a large degree the heterogeneity that existed at its founding.
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Actually, it "ends" when a nation is established in which is culturally, ethnically, and (horror of horrors!) racially homogenous.

Was not that whole point of "nations" to begin with?

I see you've stopped drinking your Kool-Aid again...    :chairbang:





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I very seriously doubt that was the whole point of "nations" to begin with.  The facts, and the theories, are a little too messy to support that contention.  The American nation-state known as the United States of America was not homogeneous in any of those senses and it was part and parcel of the republican structure adopted by the Founders, including the concept of dual sovereigns, that the US would maintain to a large degree the heterogeneity that existed at its founding.
Switzerland with 3 major languages, Belgium and Canada with 2 major languages. Sweden with Swedish speakers, and minority Finnish speakers. Finland with the reverse.

Our own country with debate as to a national language, or not. After English, German was 2nd most commonly used.

A nation needs common causes and benefits, for which to unite and pursue. The US is losing the commonality. The 47% are getting undue attention and priority.
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