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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2013, 09:23:14 AM »
It goes to show you there is no changing the mind of a devoted liberal.  People of his socialist ilk have been in charge of Baltimore and the country for many years, and yet David Simon blames capitalism for society's great divide.  He'll never get it.
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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2013, 09:31:37 AM »
It goes to show you there is no changing the mind of a devoted liberal.  People of his socialist ilk have been in charge of Baltimore and the country for many years, and yet David Simon blames capitalism for society's great divide.  He'll never get it.

None of them will ever get it!  With them NOTHING is ever their fault! It's ALWAYS the fault of someone, or something else!

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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2013, 09:37:29 AM »
It seems so un-PC anymore to publicly extoll the virtues of capitalism.    The left has been so successful at conflating all the crony capitalism in with healthy, robust capitalism.  Its a complicated subject and difficult to sort out to the masses.  Rush seems to be the only one with enough cajones to tackle it, especially after the Pope's recent comments. 

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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2013, 10:00:50 AM »
We do not suffer from too much Capitalism, we suffer because there is not enough of it.

This guy is amazingly long winded about something he clearly does not understand.  "Capital" did not seize the Government, liberal progressivism did, and one of the first things that happened was the undoing of the Constitution's "Checks and Balances" which is the only thing that kept the Government at bay.  The State Legislatures used to directly oversee the functions of the Federal Government through the power of directly appointing US Senators who were supposed to oversee the various State's interests and balance the interests of the People in the House of Representatives. 

To change that, Progressives 100 years ago went directly to the "low information voters" of the day and convinced them that directly electing Senators was much better for the People than leaving it to those irresponsible State Legislators.  In effect what the 17th Amendment did was put the two major Political Parties in charge of the Government, and dealt the States completely out of the Checks and Balances business.

There's a reason why this was published in Britain....the audience for this tripe is much larger in the UK than it is here...

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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2013, 10:09:13 AM »
We do not suffer from too much Capitalism, we suffer because there is not enough of it.

This guy is amazingly long winded about something he clearly does not understand.  "Capital" did not seize the Government, liberal progressivism did, and one of the first things that happened was the undoing of the Constitution's "Checks and Balances" which is the only thing that kept the Government at bay.  The State Legislatures used to directly oversee the functions of the Federal Government through the power of directly appointing US Senators who were supposed to oversee the various State's interests and balance the interests of the People in the House of Representatives. 

To change that, Progressives 100 years ago went directly to the "low information voters" of the day and convinced them that directly electing Senators was much better for the People than leaving it to those irresponsible State Legislators.  In effect what the 17th Amendment did was put the two major Political Parties in charge of the Government, and dealt the States completely out of the Checks and Balances business.

There's a reason why this was published in Britain....the audience for this tripe is much larger in the UK than it is here...

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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2013, 10:17:41 AM »
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People are saying I don't need anything but my own ability to earn a profit. I'm not connected to society. I don't care how the road got built, I don't care where the firefighter comes from, I don't care who educates the kids other than my kids. I am me. It's the triumph of the self. I am me, hear me roar.
Really? Please give us the names of the people who have this attitude.

Is anything he's said not baseless generalizations?
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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2013, 11:51:58 AM »
Simon's yammering, long-winded whine boils down to a resentment of personal responsibility and an envy of achievement. 
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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2013, 11:59:03 AM »
Isn't Simon part of Journo-list? 

This piece is part of the Left's strategy to gear the populace up for confrontation...this...the phony boycotts of fast food restaurants by paid union members who don't work in that industry....and so on.
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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2013, 12:15:02 PM »
Isn't Simon part of Journo-list? 

This piece is part of the Left's strategy to gear the populace up for confrontation...this...the phony boycotts of fast food restaurants by paid union members who don't work in that industry....and so on.

He is not a member of the current membership (of about 150), as far as I can tell.

He's just another left-wing scribbler who gets all moon-eyed over 19th century Commies, and thinks that the world owes him a living.

Hey, David: If you like your Marx, you can keep your Marx.
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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2013, 12:56:23 PM »
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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2013, 02:33:00 PM »
I guess everybody is just swell with the concentration of ever more industries that are "too big to fail" thanks to connections with government, and so forth.

Once upon a time big oil was broken up, to avoid monopolies. Today each industry consolidates into a very small group of huge corporations, ALL with close ties to government.

The insurance industry wrote much of Obamacare.

Capitalism, as practiced in the US today, should get scrutiny, not for its virtues as an economic system, but for its actual practice.

BOTH parties are supporters of this system. It is not simply "capitalism" vs. socialism.  It is about the nature of our capitalism.

Big banks, big pharma, big health insurance, big autos, big concentrated power  to shift work overseas.
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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2013, 02:41:58 PM »
I guess everybody is just swell with the concentration of ever more industries that are "too big to fail" thanks to connections with government, and so forth.

Once upon a time big oil was broken up, to avoid monopolies. Today each industry consolidates into a very small group of huge corporations, ALL with close ties to government.

The insurance industry wrote much of Obamacare.

Capitalism, as practiced in the US today, should get scrutiny, not for its virtues as an economic system, but for its actual practice.

BOTH parties are supporters of this system. It is not simply "capitalism" vs. socialism.  It is about the nature of our capitalism.

Big banks, big pharma, big health insurance, big autos, big concentrated power  to shift work overseas.

I agree with you.  This is one of the reasons Perry running makes me nervous, he has been successful in Texas but under him "Crony Capitalism" has run wild.  Besides there is still an "ism" in Capitalism.   Ludwig von Mises preferred the phrase private property order to capitalism.  I prefer free market economy or free enterprise system and I detest too big anything -- look what TARP did?  Instead of forcing the banks to fail and the system to recover naturally we created fewer, larger banks and small businesses (who were not the problem in the first place) have a horrible time procuring business loans today.  For a successful free market economy - competition is key

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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2013, 02:43:13 PM »
I guess everybody is just swell with the concentration of ever more industries that are "too big to fail" thanks to connections with government, and so forth.

Once upon a time big oil was broken up, to avoid monopolies. Today each industry consolidates into a very small group of huge corporations, ALL with close ties to government.

The insurance industry wrote much of Obamacare.

Capitalism, as practiced in the US today, should get scrutiny, not for its virtues as an economic system, but for its actual practice.

BOTH parties are supporters of this system. It is not simply "capitalism" vs. socialism.  It is about the nature of our capitalism.

Big banks, big pharma, big health insurance, big autos, big concentrated power  to shift work overseas.

That is because what is practiced today is not free capitalism with the government referee to insure an even playing field.

What is practiced in America now is Fascism.
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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2013, 02:45:58 PM »
I guess everybody is just swell with the concentration of ever more industries that are "too big to fail" thanks to connections with government, and so forth.
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And I guess someone doesn't read what is posted.

It seems so un-PC anymore to publicly extoll the virtues of capitalism.    The left has been so successful at conflating all the crony capitalism in with healthy, robust capitalism.

We do not suffer from too much Capitalism, we suffer because there is not enough of it.

This guy is amazingly long winded about something he clearly does not understand.  "Capital" did not seize the Government, liberal progressivism did, and one of the first things that happened was the undoing of the Constitution's "Checks and Balances" which is the only thing that kept the Government at bay.
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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2013, 02:47:56 PM »
I guess everybody is just swell with the concentration of ever more industries that are "too big to fail" thanks to connections with government, and so forth.

Once upon a time big oil was broken up, to avoid monopolies. Today each industry consolidates into a very small group of huge corporations, ALL with close ties to government.

The insurance industry wrote much of Obamacare.

Capitalism, as practiced in the US today, should get scrutiny, not for its virtues as an economic system, but for its actual practice.

BOTH parties are supporters of this system. It is not simply "capitalism" vs. socialism.  It is about the nature of our capitalism.

Big banks, big pharma, big health insurance, big autos, big concentrated power  to shift work overseas.

And where does all of that big money go??  To political donations that keep career politicians in office, whose only goal is to stay there until they die in office and can lay in state under the Capitol rotunda.

Want to take the money out of politics??  Mark Levin's latest book has a bunch of great ideas, but none of them can ever be implemented until after the present system finally collapses.


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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2013, 02:55:31 PM »
That is because what is practiced today is not free capitalism with the government referee to insure an even playing field.

What is practiced in America now is Fascism.

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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2013, 03:05:57 PM »
I guess everybody is just swell with the concentration of ever more industries that are "too big to fail" thanks to connections with government, and so forth.

Once upon a time big oil was broken up, to avoid monopolies. Today each industry consolidates into a very small group of huge corporations, ALL with close ties to government.

The insurance industry wrote much of Obamacare.

Capitalism, as practiced in the US today, should get scrutiny, not for its virtues as an economic system, but for its actual practice.

BOTH parties are supporters of this system. It is not simply "capitalism" vs. socialism.  It is about the nature of our capitalism.

Big banks, big pharma, big health insurance, big autos, big concentrated power  to shift work overseas.

True free market capitalism has not been practiced in this country for a very long time now.  What we have had since at least 1865 is corporate mercantilism in it's place.

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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2013, 03:27:01 PM »
That is because what is practiced today is not free capitalism with the government referee to insure an even playing field.

What is practiced in America now is Fascism.
Interesting you should put it that way. I met a chap Friday night at an office party. He's British, only been here 3 years. He agreed when I said he sounded like a libertarian. But he said we have garbled up political labels, over here.

In Europe what we call a free market capitalism, they call a liberalism; like classical liberalism.

He informed me we had growing fascism here, where power is held by big government, who apportions it to big business.

He is a gun business owner. He is NOT opposed to nationalized medicine, says it works fine all over Europe.

Anyway, interesting chap. I look forward to hearing his take on the world. I've live in and worked with Europeans, so I'm not shocked about the rest of the world outside our borders.

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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2013, 03:50:08 PM »
"He informed me we had growing fascism here, where power is held by big government, who apportions it to big business."

Yes, he's seeing the same thing that we are.  I might only add, "apportions it to big business for return favors of various types"

And the Romans had Tribute.  In all cases though it comes when a government or system sinks completely into corruption for the protection of a priveleged elite.
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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2013, 04:32:48 PM »
Maybe the main difference between "them" and "us" is when capital buys big government favors we blame government.  They blame the capitalists.   :shrug:
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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2013, 04:41:41 PM »
Maybe the main difference between "them" and "us" is when capital buys big government favors we blame government.  They blame the capitalists.   :shrug:

I guess it is like our anger at the referee when it turns out he was bribed by the other team.  We expect the teams to try anything...but we expect the referee to be morally above the attempt.  When the referees sink to the point of soliciting the bribes, then the entire game is over.
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Re: David Simon: 'There are now two Americas. My country is a horror show'
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2013, 08:16:07 PM »
Crony capitalism and corporatocracy are two terms often used by "conservatives" in their internet blogs complaining about our country today.

Many of them might not realize those terms arose mainly on the left, to criticize capitalism as it operates in America.

A third term in Oligarchy. If one isn't yet rich when they reach government elected or appointed office, they can almost be assured of being rich as a result of their time in office.

Sit on a committee, and executives of industries you "regulate" and have "oversight" with will hire you for 6 figures the day you leave office.

Dick Cheney is a prime example, one of ours. He became rich by working for Halliburton, solely for his government contacts and influence.

If the GOP fails to win the Senate majority in 2014, Obama care will be so firmly entrenched as to make it extremely difficult to dial it back, or shut it down.

One reason Pelosi said they needed to pass it in order to find out what it said: It was largely written by the insurance industry.

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