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Re: State Legislators discuss Convention of States at Mount Vernon Assembly
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2013, 09:18:50 PM »
Be careful of opening such a large can of worms.

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Re: State Legislators discuss Convention of States at Mount Vernon Assembly
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2013, 09:20:42 PM »
Be careful of opening such a large can of worms.

Which is why they are approaching this very carefully.....  frankly we do this or this country is lost - DC is too big and too out of control and both parties are equally corrupt.

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Re: State Legislators discuss Convention of States at Mount Vernon Assembly
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2013, 09:22:59 PM »
BTW Glenn Beck had Mark Levin on his program a couple of months ago to discuss this and how Levin (a former Reagan Justice Department lawyer and a constitutional attorney)  said this could be done... Beck was very critical of Levin on the program, but stated he was going to keep an open mind and after reading the book discuss with some lawyers he trusts...... he has now come to believe Levin is correct (after talking to a lot of legal experts).

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Re: State Legislators discuss Convention of States at Mount Vernon Assembly
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2013, 09:23:21 PM »
Which is why they are approaching this very carefully.....  frankly we do this or this country is lost - DC is too big and too out of control and both parties are equally corrupt.

Tell me, who's managed to control the course of national discourse and national governance for the last 7 years, at least?  What makes you think that they wouldn't similarly be able to control the course of any constitutional convention?  Do you really want an amendment to the Constitution that gives everyone the right to free health care and cradle-to-grave welfare?

To restate my last comment:  be careful what you wish for because you might just get it.

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Re: State Legislators discuss Convention of States at Mount Vernon Assembly
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2013, 09:26:57 PM »
Tell me, who's managed to control the course of national discourse and national governance for the last 7 years, at least?  What makes you think that they wouldn't similarly be able to control the course of any constitutional convention?  Do you really want an amendment to the Constitution that gives everyone the right to free health care and cradle-to-grave welfare?

To restate my last comment:  be careful what you wish for because you might just get it.

Well, my local state senator  - Kelli Ward (also a local medical doctor) is one of the attendees of this first meeting...   The red states are not going to be pushing free shit at this convention...  this is to get us back from all the free shit....  you need to read the Levin book he has laid it out very carefully.

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Re: State Legislators discuss Convention of States at Mount Vernon Assembly
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2013, 09:28:52 PM »
Well, my local state senator  - Kelli Ward (also a local medical doctor) is one of the attendees of this first meeting...   The red states are not going to be pushing free shit at this convention...  this is to get us back from all the free shit....  you need to read the Levin book he has laid it out very carefully.

Hope springs eternal.  Whatever.  Shall I say "thanks for sticking me with full socialism" now, or should I wait until after the democrats get it enshrined in the Constitution courtesy of your convention?

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Re: State Legislators discuss Convention of States at Mount Vernon Assembly
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2013, 09:31:51 PM »
Hope springs eternal.  Whatever.  Shall I say "thanks for sticking me with full socialism" now, or should I wait until after the democrats get it enshrined in the Constitution courtesy of your convention?

We already know New York is not going to vote for what this convention is about..

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Re: State Legislators discuss Convention of States at Mount Vernon Assembly
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2013, 09:38:54 PM »
http://www.amazon.com/Liberty-Amendments-Restoring-American-Republic-ebook/dp/B00CO4IP5M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1386642807&sr=8-1&keywords=mark+levin+liberty+amendments

 Levin has proposed a number of changes to term limits, taxation, restoring states' power and more.

Currrently, states' powers have been almost completely overruled by Federal laws and mandates, debt is out of control, stretching past two generations of American's ability to pay it off. Government spending is a significant proportion of GDP and the GDP itself is stagnating; is this caused by the heavy burden of non-productive government spending? Government regulation has even gone so far as to dictate what kind of light bulb can be manufactured and sold and choices in healthcare may soon be dictated by unelected bureaucrats. For those who think that this kind of centralized power is dangerous and even tyrannical, Levin's amendments seek to address the power that the Federal government has arrogated unto itself, a power that never was the original intent of the Founding Fathers and which reduces individual liberty significantly.

Levin's amendments include:

1. Term limits, including for justices.

2. Repealing Amendment 17 and returning the election of senators to state legislatures

3. A congressional supermajority to override Supreme Court decisions (overruling what could be a stacked court)

4. Spending limit based on GDP

5. Taxation capped at 15%

6. Limiting the commerce clause, and strengthening private property rights

7. Power of states to override a federal statute by a three-fifths vote.

These ideas will be opposed by those who favor central planning and a very powerful federal government, who believe that a few should decide the fate of many, who like the current system and the way it's headed. It will also be ignored by those who think that there is too much inertia to oppose the direction we're headed. It's true there are powerful forces at work fundamentally transforming the nation, but it's also true that there is a plurality of opinion throughout the US. For those who wonder how we've gotten to where we are presently, and how we might restore personal liberty and more localized government, where we have MORE of a say, not less, this is a very important book and worth reading and discussing.


We are all on the same side here. The Liberty Amendments provides hope, direction, and an attainable goal for all lovers of liberty, conservative and libertarian alike. What is that goal? To use the second method found within Article V for amending the Constitution through the States. I did not realize that this could be. I thought that the only way for a Constitutional amendment to become part of the Constitution is for them to be introduced in the legislature which must support it with a 2/3 vote and then ratified by 3/4 of the states. Not so, explains Levin. This is what statists fear most: the states uniting against the national government to amend the Constitution and restore limited government and begin an exodus from the post-Constitutional era into the Constitutional era. This should be a rally point for conservatives and libertarians who can appreciate Levin's original premise and intellect that produced this first-rate scholarship and provides fuel for the torch of liberty.

Our Republic is broken. Some of the most hostile and antagonistic adversaries to liberty reside within our own government, including those apostate politicians we trusted to rightly represent us. We have a malevolent body of reckless politicians whom pass 3000-page omnibus legislation they cannot have read. Washington statists have no incentive to read their own legislative bills because they are wont to exempt themselves from their laws. Example: Affordable Healthcare Act - The U.S. Congress is exempt from Obamacare! In fact, Barack Obama is himself exempt from Obamacare! Americans are capriciously mandated to comply with onerous, life-changing laws, by the Ruling Class statists in Congress, who contrive, (in bad faith) to actually exempt themselves from the very laws they author as compulsory for, "We the Little People".

Further, these arrogant statists cherry-pick exemptions from their own lawmaking by doling out exemptions from their legal hardships as Party favors to their union cronies. Then to their largest contributors. Then to their friends and office staff. We have become a broken system with two sets of laws. Once our elected representatives are safely embedded on the other side of the Potomac, they then join notorious political coalitions, as they plot in secret, to upend their constituents' political, and moral principles, as well as forsake the Constitution they swore an oath to uphold. SEE: Ameritopia: The Unmaking of America

Something must be done to change the Country's collision course with an authoritarian government. Top conservative radio talk show host, Edward Meese's chief of staff in the Reagan Administration, dog lover, and constitutional scholar Mark Levin, has put much thought and scholarly effort into The Liberty Amendments. His desire is to begin the discussion for a Constitutional means to reign in our government and return our country to her founding principles.

Here are some of his chapter topics:

~ An Amendment to Establish Term Limits for Members of Congress
~ An Amendment to Restore the Senate (repeal of the 17th Amendment)
~ An Amendment to Establish Term Limits for Supreme Court Justices and Super-Majority Legislative Override
~ Two Amendments to Limit Federal Spending and Taxation
~ An Amendment to Limit the Federal Bureaucracy
~ An Amendment to Promote Free Enterprise (redefining the Commerce Clause)
~ An Amendment to Protect Private Property (curbing abuses under the Takings Clause).
~ An Amendment to Grant the States Authority to Directly Amend the Constitution
~ An Amendment to Grant States Authority to Check Congress
~ An Amendment to Protect the Vote (requiring photo ID)

Even so-called "conservative" and "Tea Party" candidates who took of our time and money in return for bi-lingual political anodynes on their campaign trail, apparently feel no tweaks of compunction as they later join arms with our political enemies who champion Karl Marx, and various Hegelian dialectical stratagem, "A lie is not a lie if it advances your agenda," once they feel safely sheltered within their new Washington, D.C. coterie.

Today, we have watched the formation congressional "Gangs" who work in concert with hostile cabals of backroom elitists, and statists, using shameful junta tactics in BAD FAITH, to secretly plot, steamroll, and thwart their constituents' and the Country's best interests in ways never intended by the Founding Fathers.

Through procedural maneuvers and nefarious tactical exercises designed to fool the public, and ram through porcine laden bills, the Washington "Gangs," (lead by President Obama's surrogates) and front men, such as Senator Chuck Schumer, are anathema to their constituents' good faith efforts in placing these "conservatives" in office.
(Examples: Rubio and Ryan)

We are witnessing a mendacious, cynical, hostile process of lies and deceptions contrived to defeat supporters, - without whose effort, many of these politicians would not have been elected.

I admit I am somewhat squeamish about allowing this Congress any more power to affect my life through Constitutional Amendments, but Mr. Levin's stated intent is beginning the dialog on positive change.

This is not your bubbe's meatball recipe!
But it is a timely, and much awaited effort.


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