Author Topic: 'A public safety disaster': Obamacare could force THOUSANDS of volunteer fire departments to close  (Read 603 times)

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Now there's a consideration that never entered my mind.

I wonder what other volunteer associations might be adversely affected by ObamaCare? In my community, for example, we have a health care clinic that provides free care to all comers. It is staffed strictly by volunteers, including the medical personnel, though I have no idea how many people volunteer there.
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The big food banks and soup kitchens are usually all volunteer and have well over 50 people volunteering.

Do you guys have something like St. John's Ambulance? It's a volunteer first aid / paramedic organization that covers everything from village fairs to football matches and massive outdoor music festivals.

The article does open an interesting can of worms.

The Knights of Columbus? Volunteers, the lot of them, and most churches have more than 50 male parishioners.

Though - one nice thought. Can you imagine the IRS going after some of the larger bike clubs that do toys for tots, or the one in the news the other day who's members stand guard over abused children?
« Last Edit: December 09, 2013, 07:27:20 PM by EC »
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Isn't that wonderful? The IRS can't tell the difference between a volunteer or an employee!

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VFDs in my area already have been hammered by the requirement that they pay into the worker compensation system. Now this?
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VFDs in my area already have been hammered by the requirement that they pay into the worker compensation system. Now this?

How does that work?

I doubt anyone would begrudge helping out a volunteer firefighter that was injured in the line of duty, or the family of one who was (God forbid) killed on duty. Just curious about the mechanism.
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I don't think anyone begrudges the coverage for any fireman injured - it's just so hard for a VFD to afford the premiums when they are funded largely by grants and donations. Our state legislature last year passed a law to help subsidize the workers comp cost, to the tune of $5 million.
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Isn't that wonderful? The IRS can't tell the difference between a volunteer or an employee!

Both are eco friendly, green is all the IRS can see.
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I don't think anyone begrudges the coverage for any fireman injured - it's just so hard for a VFD to afford the premiums when they are funded largely by grants and donations. Our state legislature last year passed a law to help subsidize the workers comp cost, to the tune of $5 million.

Yeah, that makes it tricky. Isn't there an annual charge for households or something? Maybe a bond issue to assist, like they do for new schools?

The examples I know - Saint Johns Ambulance get a very small percentage of the gate on the events they attend to cover the running costs. Fell and mountain rescue - all volunteers - are covered by a blanket insurance which is paid for by a bunch of banks and insurance companies, believe it or not!
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How does that work?

I doubt anyone would begrudge helping out a volunteer firefighter that was injured in the line of duty, or the family of one who was (God forbid) killed on duty. Just curious about the mechanism.

It involves more than "helping them out."  Who else but a worker's comp carrier would pay that firefighter's lost wages from his real job if he cannot work due to the injury?  Or the multiple thousands if his injury involves a surgery and/or rehabilitation?   

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