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Israel considers lease model for KC-46A tankers
« on: December 04, 2013, 12:02:48 AM »
Israel's defence ministry is evaluating a plan that could allow it to lease Boeing 767-based KC-46A tankers as replacements for the converted Boeing 707s now used by its air force.

The evaluation is the most recent development in an ongoing effort to provide the Israeli air force with a modern in-flight refuelling capability. This has also involved the US government offering to supply three surplus KC-135Es worth around $200 million: a proposal the service responded to by saying it would only consider more capable R-model examples powered by CFM56 engines.

An Israeli source says a leasing model for the in-development KC-46A is being evaluated, and that "there are points to clarify" before a decision is made. Boeing's previous lease agreement, which enabled the UK Royal Air Force to operate an initial fleet of four C-17 strategic transports, is being used as the basic model for the evaluation, the source says.

Boeing and the US Air Force in August completed a critical design review for the KC-46A, with a first test example due to make its flight debut in mid-2014. The USAF plans to acquire 179 of the type to replace its oldest KC-135s.

Israel's current 707-based tankers were converted by Israel Aerospace Industries. Flightglobal's Ascend Online Fleets database records eight of the type as being in active use.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/israel-considers-lease-model-for-kc-46a-tankers-393613/

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Re: Israel considers lease model for KC-46A tankers
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2013, 12:15:51 AM »
I would consider this carefully. I am not convinced that 'Hussein' is a friend of Israel. And even if he is, he can never be counted on. He is completely undependable as a friend or an enemy. He is erratic. IMO.


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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2013, 12:21:53 AM »
I would consider this carefully. I am not convinced that 'Hussein' is a friend of Israel. And even if he is, he can never be counted on. He is completely undependable as a friend or an enemy. He is erratic. IMO.


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I agree. But it seems that the Pentagon has this deal sealed. They also needed the State Departments nod for this deal.
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Re: Israel considers lease model for KC-46A tankers
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2013, 12:30:03 AM »
So let it be written,
so let it be done.


I have more faith in Bibi and the Iraelis, than fear of what is today, passes for what used to be America.
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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2013, 12:30:43 AM »
I agree. But it seems that the Pentagon has this deal sealed. They also needed the State Departments nod for this deal.

They also needed the permission of the DSCA for this deal.DSCA is responsible for the effective policy, processes, training, and financial management necessary to execute security cooperation within the DoD.Section 36(b) of the Arms Export Control Act (AECA) requires the President to give Congress advance written notification of the intent to sell defense articles, equipment and services
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Re: Israel considers lease model for KC-46A tankers
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2013, 12:38:11 AM »
The Israelis have a history of refitting whatever they get from America.


You can send an F-16 to Israel, and there is no way to tell what they will make out of it. It will not be recognizable when they are done with whatever they get.


That is just how they do things over there.
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« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2013, 12:44:55 AM »
The Israelis have a history of refitting whatever they get from America.


You can send an F-16 to Israel, and there is no way to tell what they will make out of it. It will not be recognizable when they are done with whatever they get.


That is just how they do things over there.



I agree with you. As part of the purchase of their F-35 jets the Israelis were allowed to make "special modifications" to the planes. Lockeed complained but eventually relented. The South Koreans have also requested to make certain modifications to their F-35 deal.

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Re: Israel considers lease model for KC-46A tankers
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2013, 12:51:06 AM »
I have to stop talking about this. But, it is good to know you are out there. I respect what you have said here.
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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2013, 12:56:33 AM »
I have to stop talking about this. But, it is good to know you are out there. I respect what you have said here.

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Re: Israel considers lease model for KC-46A tankers
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2013, 01:31:47 AM »
The Israelis have a history of refitting whatever they get from America.


You can send an F-16 to Israel, and there is no way to tell what they will make out of it. It will not be recognizable when they are done with whatever they get.


That is just how they do things over there.

That they do! Not blaming them either - their home grown avionics are at least as good (if not far better) than the fitted systems, especially since most exports are deliberately degraded in performance for a "just in case" scenario.
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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2013, 01:57:13 AM »
I will say this for Israeli comms systems - they are unbeatable and just getting better and better all the time. Lightweight, massive range, nigh on unbreakable encryption, multiphasic channels making locking on virtually impossible. They'd be stupid NOT to use their own systems.

When the USA pulled the plug on the shuttle, where do you think a hell of a lot of Mission Control engineers and staff wound up being hired? The IAI and the IDF had a field day recruiting the best of them.
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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2013, 02:49:54 AM »
That's the biggie. Regular bears for up to the second intel, the IDF are. Good at it, too.

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« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2013, 03:03:55 AM »
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You seen NCIS? That situation room they have - massive screens, worldwide secure communications? That is bush league stuff.

Was lucky enough to go active with an IDF unit a couple of times in a training and support capacity (they needed a lunatic who could get an ancient attack chopper into tight spaces and out again in mostly one piece), and the stuff they have for both battlefield overview and general intel would make your average SoF green with envy. Everything is recorded. They were using helmet cams regularly back in the 80s, for crying out loud.
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« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2013, 03:15:02 AM »
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You seen NCIS? That situation room they have - massive screens, worldwide secure communications? That is bush league stuff.

Was lucky enough to go active with an IDF unit a couple of times in a training and support capacity (they needed a lunatic who could get an ancient attack chopper into tight spaces and out again in mostly one piece), and the stuff they have for both battlefield overview and general intel would make your average SoF green with envy. Everything is recorded. They were using helmet cams regularly back in the 80s, for crying out loud.

They need to be ready with the latest technology. Their very survival depends on it. If they need assistance, we must be ready to give it to them at a moments notice
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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2013, 03:31:05 AM »
Totally agree. They tend to build the best and don't really count the cost, but yep - we need be ready to stand up and give them a hand instantly if needed.
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