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(TheBlaze/AP) — Fearing a possible unintended confrontation, the Obama administration is advising American commercial airlines to comply with China’s demands to be notified in advance of flights through its newly declared air-defense zone over the East China Sea, according to the New York Times.

The directive isn’t related to military planes, which the U.S. is continuing to send to the area without warning, the Times said, but administration officials said they expect civilian planes to stay in line with Beijing’s new rules.

“The U.S. government generally expects that U.S. carriers operating internationally will operate consistent with” notice requirements “issued by foreign countries,” the State Department said in a statement, adding that that “does not indicate U.S. government acceptance of China’s requirements,” the Times reported.

Japan handled things a little differently.

It reportedly asked its airlines, which were voluntarily following China’s rules, to cease doing so, the Times said. The fear? That compliance would add legitimacy to China’s new airspace rules, which involve islands claimed by both countries.

FILE – In this Thursday, Oct. 13, 2011 file photo, Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force’s P-3C Orion surveillance plane flies over the disputed islands in the East China Sea, called the Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China. China’s new maritime air defense zone is unenforceable and dangerous, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said Monday, Nov. 25, 2013 in a continuing war of words over air space that includes the area above islands claimed by both. Abe told a parliamentary session that China’s declaration of an air defense identification zone alters the state of affairs in the East China Sea and escalates a tense situation. (Image source: AP Photo/Kyodo News, File)

The zone is seen primarily as China’s latest bid to bolster its claim over a string of uninhabited Japanese-controlled islands in the East China Sea known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China. Beijing has been ratcheting up its sovereignty claims since Tokyo’s nationalization of the islands last year.

In other developments, China launched two fighter planes Friday to investigate flights by a dozen U.S. and Japanese reconnaissance and military planes in the new zone, state media said.

The state-run China News quoted Defense Ministry spokesman Col. Shen Jinke as saying the Chinese fighter jets identified and monitored the two U.S. and 10 Japanese aircraft during their flights through the zone early Friday, but made no mention of any further action.

China announced last week that all aircraft entering the zone — a maritime area between China, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan — must notify Chinese authorities beforehand, and that it would take unspecified defensive measures against those that don’t comply. Neighboring countries and the U.S. have said they will not honor the new zone and have criticized the move, saying it unnecessarily raises tensions.

It was the first time China said it sent military planes into the zone on the same day as foreign military flights since proclaiming the zone on Nov. 23.

The United States and other countries have warned that the new zone could boost chances for miscalculations, accidents and conflicts, though analysts believe Beijing’s move is not intended to spark any aerial confrontations but rather a long-term strategy to solidify claims to disputed territory by simply marking the area as its own.

China sent warplanes into its airspace zone on Thursday and placed its air force on high alert, the Associated Press reported.
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Is this the right thing to do? Or is it surrender by the administration?


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Is this the right thing to do? Or is it surrender by the administration?

For commercial flights - yes, it is the right thing to do.

It's a routine courtesy as you pass through a nation's airspace to give them a shout and let them know. Even in so called "international" airspace, there is still always some nation keeping an eye on you. For the Senkaku group, that was normally either Japan or Taiwan. An extra notification is no big deal, there is always a lot of overlap in national airspace anyway.
Even in the USA, national airspace stretches 100 miles into both Mexico and Canada and covers much of the Caribbean as well. Mexican and Canadian airspace stretch the same distance into the USA. Who you talk to at the time in the overlapping space depends solely on which way you are going. Air Traffic Control always co-operate with each other, even between enemies. It's one of the few good things to come out of the Cold War.

We all recall what happens when a nervous fight jock sees an unknown craft in his patrol space. A lot of people get killed.
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Is this the right thing to do? Or is it surrender by the administration?

This is absolutely the right thing to do.  The Chinese have declared an ADIZ (Air Defense Identification Zone) around those Islands, and the last place a commercial airliner wants to find itself is in front of a fighter jet that is challenging it.  Remember the Korean Air liner that was shot down by the Soviets??  How about the airliner the Iranians deliberately flew in an aggressive manner at the USS Vincennes, forcing it to shoot??

The other piece that goes with a notification like this is firm action by the US Military, primarily the Navy, who ought to have a carrier task group there right now flying CAPs and exercising freedom of navigation on the high seas.  While we are flying aircraft through that space it is largely for show.  If we were serious we would have fighters up patrolling while our Ambassador works the UN Security Council. 

Those days are long gone, and that scenario requires more competence than this entire Administration possesses.


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I thought it was the right thing to do as well....yet most post at FR and other sites call it a surender. I don't see how.
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I thought it was the right thing to do as well....yet most post at FR and other sites call it a surender. I don't see how.


Seen a lot of those posts too. This might explain it:

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