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Offline happyg

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« on: November 29, 2013, 12:56:33 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2013, 01:17:52 PM »
Articles like this are very damaging to people.  It is the ultimate in irresponsibility to encourage a cancer victim to forego chemo in favor of "organic fruits and vegetables."  Why bother even having scientists and our entire medical infrastructure if people can be persuaded that science, which is based on thousands upon thousands of heavily controlled studies, can be discredited by a single testimonial.
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2013, 02:56:46 PM »
My grandmother was diagnosed with some sort of colon cancer in the mid 1970s.  She had been a vegetarian for 12 or so years prior to that.  She passed away in May at age 93, figure 40 years. 
What in the previous statement had anything to do with how she got cancer, how she survived the cancer or how long she survived?  Absolutely nothing.  Anecdote is not treatment.
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2013, 02:59:21 PM »
Articles like this are very damaging to people.  It is the ultimate in irresponsibility to encourage a cancer victim to forego chemo in favor of "organic fruits and vegetables."  Why bother even having scientists and our entire medical infrastructure if people can be persuaded that science, which is based on thousands upon thousands of heavily controlled studies, can be discredited by a single testimonial.

After seeing what chemo does to people I've known who had cancer, went the chemo route and died anyway and had no quality of the end of life due to the debilitating effects of the chemo there is no way I personally would do it should I be unlucky enough to get cancer.

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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2013, 05:52:15 PM »
So he did have the surgery, right? Chances he'd still be alive without it are probably very slim.
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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2013, 06:18:52 PM »
I've seen both sides of this, and believe it is a "case by case" basis, and the desires of the patient, above all else.

--my brother died from leukemia at age 37. He lived nine great years with it, before a violent final period, when chemo was tried but failed. The side effects of the chemo with him, were horrific. When the doctors said they could try chemo again, with little prospect for success, the family opted to spare him further pain. He died a few days later.

--my sister-in-law is a two-time breast cancer survivor, each time involving chemotherapy. She's mighty happy to be still alive.

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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2013, 09:36:33 PM »
I've seen both sides of this, and believe it is a "case by case" basis, and the desires of the patient, above all else.


This....and a healthy diet and lifestyle can't hurt either

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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2013, 09:47:07 PM »
If you really want to avoid colon cancer, you need to go on the Shredded Wheat and Metamucil breakfast regimen.  You take three large shredded wheat biscuits, put them in a large bowl, cover them with a medium bottle of Metamucil, and pound 'em down.  That much roughage forced through your system once a day will scour out your pipes better than Roto Rooter could, (and it won't hurt your sewer pipes one bit either...) and you will have the personal satisfaction of giving birth to a five gallon bucket every day so regularly you could set the village clock by its arrival.

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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2013, 01:27:10 AM »
You take three large shredded wheat biscuits, put them in a large bowl, cover them with a medium bottle of Metamucil, and pound 'em down.

I think I would rather be dead.
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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2013, 07:41:07 AM »
You take three large shredded wheat biscuits, put them in a large bowl, cover them with a medium bottle of Metamucil, and pound 'em down.

I think I would rather be dead.

Maybe you would do better with Frosted Shredded Wheat....??

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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2013, 08:19:59 AM »
If you really want to avoid colon cancer, you need to go on the Shredded Wheat and Metamucil breakfast regimen.  You take three large shredded wheat biscuits, put them in a large bowl, cover them with a medium bottle of Metamucil, and pound 'em down.  That much roughage forced through your system once a day will scour out your pipes better than Roto Rooter could, (and it won't hurt your sewer pipes one bit either...) and you will have the personal satisfaction of giving birth to a five gallon bucket every day so regularly you could set the village clock by its arrival.

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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2013, 09:26:08 AM »
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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2013, 09:27:46 AM »
By the way, he smoked for 40 years.
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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2013, 09:44:32 AM »
"She only coughs when she lies."

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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2013, 09:52:11 AM »
I don't consider the chemo option to be a crap shoot so much as something one needs to make a very informed decision about before undergoing.

I worked on a cancer unit of a hospital in the 70's when I first got out of nursing school, and let me tell you, the chemo horror stories back then were something else.  In this day and age, depending on the type of cancer, and its extent when discovered, there are sometimes gentler options available.  I know women who have gone the chemo route for breast cancer, and are now leading wonderful, productive lives.   I have also seen others who lived out many years comfortably as a result of some chemo treatments:  their cancer was more like a chronic ailment rather than a debilitating disease,  and their extended life spans were worth living. 

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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2013, 10:06:05 AM »
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I don't consider the chemo option to be a crap shoot so much as something one needs to make a very informed decision about before undergoing.

In 2007, my niece was dx with squamous cell throat cancer in the 4th stage. Her prognosis was not good. Angie has three children, so went the chemo rout. The chemo wreaked havoc on her, somewhat deforming her once beautiful face. After nearly two years of chemo, her doctor told her he could give it one last zap (her words) of radiation. He said it could cure her or kill her. She opted for the zap, and the entire side of her neck was blackened. However, that was six years ago, and she is back to normal except for the now minor disfiguration. There is a chance it can come back, but so far, so good.


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