It Is Now Illegal To Smoke In Your Own Home In San Rafael, California

[aligncare]

If smoke is infiltrating your house from outside, you need to spend some money on new windows, doors and weather stripping.

The San Rafael ordinance relates to buildings that share common walls, and structures with more than three units. It doesn't apply to a single-family structure.

[Rapunzel]

Let me ask you. Do you mind it when you're eating at a restaurant and a smoker lights up at the table next to yours? Oh, but that wouldn't happen, would it? Smoking is prohibited in restaurants. For reason.

It wasn't always and we ALWAYS requested a no-smoking section when it was allowed. 

I guess I'm having a difficult time wrapping my head around your libertarian stance on legalizing drugs, etc. and yet being so willing to tell us what we can eat or do within the confines of our own home.. not a restaurant - but a private home.

[aligncare]

It wasn't always and we ALWAYS requested a no-smoking section when it was allowed. 

I guess I'm having a difficult time wrapping my head around your libertarian stance on legalizing drugs, etc. and yet being so willing to tell us what we can eat or do within the confines of our own home.. not a restaurant - but a private home.

Let me see if I can help you. New York City doesn't allow smoking on public beaches or public parks. That, I don't agree with. People occupy outdoor spaces temporarily. It's outdoors, for heaven sake. That makes no sense to me, that is infringing on the smoker's rights. See the difference?

If I'm in my apartment and my neighbors smoke is constantly in my face - I'd welcome the ordinance. Just as I welcomed a smoke-free restaurant environment by force of law.

[Rapunzel]

Let me see if I can help you. New York City doesn't allow smoking on public beaches or public parks. That, I don't agree with. People occupy outdoor spaces temporarily. It's outdoors, for heaven sake. That makes no sense to me, that is infringing on the smoker's rights. See the difference?

If I'm in my apartment and my neighbors smoke is constantly in my face - I'd welcome the ordinance. Just as I welcomed a smoke-free restaurant environment by force of law.

Back when everyone - but me - seemed to smoke I lived in apartments, I honestly never smelled smoke from the apartments around me - ever.  Like I said I hate cigarettes and cigarette smoke - I would have known if there was someone smoking around me - heck going downlake in a boat I can smell someone in a passing boat if they are smoking - that is how sensitive I am to it... 

[aligncare]

Don't be overdramatic. No one is telling you what you can eat. I think the issue was telling food manufacturers they can't use artificial fats in all of their foods. Junk food can still be manufactured – only with natural fats instead of artificial fats. You know, the kind of cookies and cakes grandma used to make.

[Cincinnatus]

Just as I welcomed a smoke-free restaurant environment by force of law

How about this, Aligncare? The bar/restaurant OWNER gets to decide whether the establishment will be smoking or non-smoking and we keep  the damn government out of it. You don't like the policy, you don't go there. Consumer patronage, therefore, not some government official, decides, even with your support.

What did I say earlier on another thread?: The essence of collectivism, call it Liberalism, industrial democracy, social democracy, Socialism, Progressivism, Communism, or any other of it thousand faces: its bid to force [everyone] to obey.

[aligncare]

Just as I welcomed a smoke-free restaurant environment by force of law

How about this, Aligncare? The bar/restaurant OWNER gets to decide whether the establishment will be smoking or non-smoking and we keep  the damn government out of it. You don't like the policy, you don't go there. Consumer patronage, therefore, not some government official, decides, even with your support.

What did I say earlier on another thread?: The essence of collectivism, call it Liberalism, industrial democracy, social democracy, Socialism, Progressivism, Communism, or any other of it thousand faces: its bid to force [everyone] to obey.

We were late for a wedding once. My daughter was just born, couldn't have been more than 2 months old. My wife and I were starving as we pulled into a Burger King in Sacramento. We were both decked out in our finest dress so we didn't want to eat in the car. We took our daughter in her carrier into the restaurant. But there was no breathing the air in there. This was before the days of no smoking in restaurants and the place was filled with smokers. The air was heavy with cigarette smoke. We walked out hungry rather than expose our daughter.

So, in your world to protect my newborn from breathing noxious air, we would have to have found a different restaurant, being in an unfamiliar city and late as we were for this wedding.

As it turns out Americans love smoke-free restaurants; and city after city, state after state have banned smoking in restaurants. I don't see what is so sacred about a smokers right to pollute the air others are trying to breathe.

In case you haven't guessed, I despise cigarette smoke. And to tell me his right to smoke supersedes my right to breathe clean air ... Sorry, buddy that just won't wash with me.

[SouthTexas]

Then I probably could approach him and let him know that his smoke is getting into my apartment. With a cigarette smoker, it's not the same.

Cigarette smokers can be very belligerent about their smoke bothering people. And, understandably. It's his apartment and he would have every right to tell me to just F off. Which is why I understand the ordinance passed in San Rafael. Addicted smokers in their apartment are not going to very easily relent - even knowing their smoke is getting into a neighbors air space.

Let me ask you. Do you mind it when you're eating at a restaurant and a smoker lights up at the table next to yours? Oh, but that wouldn't happen, would it? Smoking is prohibited in restaurants. For reason.

I tend to take offense at your comments.  I smoked for 40 years and not one time where I was asked not to or asked to move, that I didn't oblige.  Maybe it's how you are "asking".

Had lunch last week in a restaurant that still allowed smoking.  Didn't  phase me in the slightest.

[aligncare]

It's very nice that you're a polite and considerate person. Did you know not everyone is?

I've seen a woman in her 70s told to F off by a smoker who wasn't about to put out his cigarette.

I'm perfectly pleased smoking is banned from restaurants in most places.

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[Cincinnatus]

I assume from content you are directing this at me?: And to tell me his right to smoke supersedes my right to breathe clean air ...

No, not saying anything like that. Am saying you have no right to tell others how they may use their property unless doing so involves fraud or demonstrable physical harm to others. Telling you my restaurant allows smoking does not harm you in any way as you can refuse to enter just as I suspect you could have left that BK, gone elsewhere, or gone through the drive-thru.

A great deal of what you have posted as to your position on this thread, Aligncare, can be summarized as, "Me!", "Me!", "Me!'.

[aligncare]

No, smokers can go elsewhere ...  :nometalk:

[SouthTexas]

It's very nice that you're a polite and considerate person. Did you know not everyone is?

I've seen a woman in her 70s told to F off by a smoker who wasn't about to put out his cigarette.

I'm perfectly pleased smoking is banned from restaurants in most places.

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Well that's obvious and they fill the non-smoking ranks as well.  (see mirror)

You are fine having your own places, for food, drink, whatever, that ban smoking, why in the hell do you want it banned everywhere?  Now you are choosing to come into my home and ban it?  Nanny state BS.

Years ago when all this was first starting I went to a steak house in downtown Austin, the liberal Mecca of Texas.  They did not allow smoking, but in the middle of the dining room was an open fire pit where they cooked the meat.   Then we have the Mexicans that burn brush every year on the Yucutan.  the smoke comes right across the bottom of the Gulf into south Texas - every year for about a month.  Then we have untold amounts of vehicle fumes and of course they deadly cocktail of chemicals beneath your kitchen sink.

It is nothing but arrogant stupidity that cigarette smoke has been declared worse than every other noxious gas on the face of the earth. 

OK, have work to do, BBL.

[GourmetDan]