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Israel's Netanyahu Says Iran Nuclear Deal a 'Historic Mistake'
« on: November 24, 2013, 10:00:25 AM »

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Re: Israel's Netanyahu Says Iran Nuclear Deal a 'Historic Mistake'
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2013, 12:12:46 PM »
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Re: Israel's Netanyahu Says Iran Nuclear Deal a 'Historic Mistake'
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2013, 01:21:45 PM »
Let us be candid here:  Whether this deal was wise or unwise is entirely predicated upon this one, simple question:  Should our foremost concern be (a) the prevention of war with Iran; or (b) our ensuring that it will be impossible for Iran to ever acquire nuclear weapons, regardless of what might be required to achieve that goal?

If one responds that the correct answer is (a), then it stands to reason that one must believe that any deal--including the one eventually agreed to--beats no deal at all.

If one responds that (b) is the correct answer, on the other hand, any deal that allows Iran to enrich uranium at all--and therefore, to have a "breakout" capability within a very short time--is ill-advised.

I will go with (b)...

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Re: Israel's Netanyahu Says Iran Nuclear Deal a 'Historic Mistake'
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2013, 11:06:46 PM »
[[ I want to believe him .... but he's got to do something.  If a military attack is off the table, then Mr. Netanyahu should find another mantra.  His and his nation's international credibility are now on the line. ]]

Mr. Netanyahu's heart and mind is in the right place, but that may be of little help to him now, nor of little help to his nation.

If Israel was "to do something", it's about five years too late. They should have acted immediately after the 2008 election, when Bush II was still president.

Mr. Bush would certainly have protested, but ultimately he would have acceded and done the right thing, and provided at least a modicum of support, covert or otherwise. And there would have been nothing the incoming Obammunists could have done about it.

But now, too late, too late. Not only will Obama _not do_ "the right thing", he is an enemy of Israel, and a supporter of Iran (certainly Ms. Jarrett is as well, and she is pullin' the strings in many cases).

The obligatory comparisons of Obama vis-a-vis Neville Chamberlain are presented (including some nice Photoshop montages), but Obama's behavior is worse. Chamberlain was merely the gullible fool, but Obama knows full well what he is doing, and that is aiding Iran in its quest for the bomb -- which it will now have.

Perhaps Israel may still attempt a last-ditch effort. But even with covert aid from the Saudis, the best the Israelis can hope to do is delay Iran's progress somewhat. Iran has had too long -- five additional years -- to "dig in" and spread out its capabilities. I don't believe conventional weapons alone are enough to the job any more. We shall see.

For several years now, on other forums as well as this one, I've been predicting that the Israelis will shy away from what it takes to knock out Iran. "Jewish guilt" has held them back (for lack of a better term) -- the fear and unwillingness to strike against what will be civilian populations in a proactive and pre-emptive attack (not a "defensive" one to defend Jewish soil within Jewish borders). Again, we shall see.

But if they're going to try, they'd better not wait much longer....
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Re: Israel's Netanyahu Says Iran Nuclear Deal a 'Historic Mistake'
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2013, 05:48:02 AM »
Poor Neville Chamberlain. I do wish you guys would stop using him as an example.

At the time he did the only thing he could do. We'd have lasted all of about a week against Germany if he didn't have that peace (pun intended) of paper. The instant he got back home, he ramped up war production. The reason he could do that? A certain Minister had spent several years increasing our production capacity and planning for the war he saw coming, including planning for the call up and the inevitable rationing. The name of that Minister? N. Chamberlain.

He bought us time to build up. Bit shitty for Poland, but them's the breaks.
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