Author Topic: Obama scoffs at people who call him a 'socialist': 'You gotta meet real socialists'  (Read 642 times)

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These statements of his are getting more and more bizarre and detached.  It is difficult to believe that this is the President of the United States saying this kind of tripe.  And what's worse, most of it is deliberately scripted for him by his communications staff!


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Liberalism isn't really about making the world a better place. It's about reassuring the elites that they are good people for wanting to rule over it.

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you gotta meet real socialists
a/k/a his handlers.
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Translation: "I am a socialist, but I'm CORRUPTIBLE.  You oughta meet some of those fools who won't budge for any price."
"She only coughs when she lies."

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I am not nearly alone in believing that something unsettling and dark lurks beneath Obama's eyes. I believe many of his public supporters have seen it, too. And yet they choose to ignore what others see clearly, believing perhaps that intentions matter more than truth, or else that voiced intentions are the same thing as truth.

The need to believe in a transformative and inspirational figure is a nearly universal human trait. A person whose moral center is already fixed, and whose comprehension is based in rational thought may easily detect deception or faithlessness in the words and actions of another.  But such observations are easily lost upon those who seek redemption, or even understanding of a world whose realities elude them.

People who lack moral compasses and secure identities are always easy prey for clever manipulators who offer convenient answers and false empathy, especially those who blame heartless villains for their troubles and promise hope and change in exchange for devotion. And as history tells us, such episodes never end very well.
Liberalism isn't really about making the world a better place. It's about reassuring the elites that they are good people for wanting to rule over it.

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I'm talking about lowering the corporate tax rate, my health care reform is based on the private marketplace
That doesn't mean it's not socialism. The core of the whole concept of insurance-- the idea that a large pool of payers covers the expenses of a few incidents so that the costs are spread evenly and each person pays less-- is socialism at its core. On top of that, Obamacare inflates that to include unnecessary coverage to people who will never use it, then forces people to buy it  or pay a tax for the privilege of not buying it and get nothing in return.

That is worse than mere socialism. That's CRONY socialism.

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That doesn't mean it's not socialism. The core of the whole concept of insurance-- the idea that a large pool of payers covers the expenses of a few incidents so that the costs are spread evenly and each person pays less-- is socialism at its core. On top of that, Obamacare inflates that to include unnecessary coverage to people who will never use it, then forces people to buy it  or pay a tax for the privilege of not buying it and get nothing in return.

That is worse than mere socialism. That's CRONY socialism.

Insurance is not socialism. Socialism is an involuntary transfer of wealth to government, in exchange for a promise of valued benefits provided at the expense of unknown others. Insurance is a contractual relationship; a voluntary transfer of the cost of risk between parties, in which one party agrees to pay the specified costs of another in exchange for a series of periodic payments.

Insurance does not seek to spread costs equitably, but rather employs scientific (actuarial) and empirical (historical) methods to accurately predict the cost of risk over time and to develop a payment structure (premiums, deductibles, and benefits) that makes financial sense for both parties to the contract. Inevitably, when government interferes with such economic considerations (via regulation, subsidy or tax), it either creates artificial costs that are passed on to all contractual beneficiaries (the policy owners), or else subsidizes one class of policy owners at the expense of another.
Liberalism isn't really about making the world a better place. It's about reassuring the elites that they are good people for wanting to rule over it.


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