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they took a bold public stand

They not only took a bold stand, they stood by their convictions, something many republicans are wont to do. They will come out swinging, but back off when the heat is on. Then, they look like flip-floppers. They let the enemy get to them, and become overly-cautious.

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Would we all be in the same place today regarding Obamacare, had Cruz not filibustered?  If the Shutdown was avoided?

....just asking.   Cause I think so.....
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Would we all be in the same place today regarding Obamacare, had Cruz not filibustered?  If the Shutdown was avoided?

....just asking.   Cause I think so.....


Cruz did not cause the shutdown. Yes, he filibustered in an attempt to show the GOP they could stop this.  And had they not been so willing to go along with Reid and Obama the GOP could have stopped this thing.    As a matter of fact it could have de-funded and stopped at least two years ago -  if they had actually wanted to stop it. 

Today Americans know Cruz and Lee was correct and this bill is a train-wreck.  They are on record as actually trying to do something while the rest of the go along get along in the senate went willingly down this road with the congress passing bills knowing full well the GOP senators would help kill it in the senate.  It's been nothing but Kabuki theater until Cruz and Lee came along and said why are we doing this - the people need to know how back it is.... at the time the media and even some here could do nothing but scream "they are making the GOP look bad"...... in fact they did make the GOP look bad, but not in the manner the nay-sayers were claiming, they made them all look like the finger in the wind cowards most of them are.
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Sens Cruz and Lee framed Zippy's Folly.  It would not have been so focused on without those two.
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Exactly.

Cruz and Lee made conservative opposition's position on Obamacare crystal clear to the world--BEFORE it all crashed.   As more chaos ensues, they will look even more prophetic.  Cruz has said he will have a repeal plan ready in a couple of weeks.   

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Unfortunately, enemy journalism has a permanent ideological affliction: institutional amnesia. The paper of record seems incapable of recording any truth and electronic media are the editors of history.

And so, the right is forever straining to be heard. What can we do but soldier on.

Certain event transcend chronicle, this is one of them.  Do you recall President Reagan's passing?  Those weren't all Republicans on the side of the roads and highways.
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Would we all be in the same place today regarding Obamacare, had Cruz not filibustered?  If the Shutdown was avoided?

....just asking.   Cause I think so.....


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Cruz did not cause the shutdown. Yes, he filibustered in an attempt to show the GOP they could stop this.  And had they not been so willing to go along with Reid and Obama the GOP could have stopped this thing.    As a matter of fact it could have de-funded and stopped at least two years ago -  if they had actually wanted to stop it. 

Today Americans know Cruz and Lee was correct and this bill is a train-wreck.  They are on record as actually trying to do something while the rest of the go along get along in the senate went willingly down this road with the congress passing bills knowing full well the GOP senators would help kill it in the senate.  It's been nothing but Kabuki theater until Cruz and Lee came along and said why are we doing this - the people need to know how back it is.... at the time the media and even some here could do nothing but scream "they are making the GOP look bad"...... in fact they did make the GOP look bad, but not in the manner the nay-sayers were claiming, they made them all look like the finger in the wind cowards most of them are.

Once again, right out of the box, you purposely misinterpret what somebody types.   Where the heck did I say that Cruz was responsible for the 2 week shutdown?

What I said was that now that the smoke has cleared a bit, it's obvious to everybody that we'd be reading the same exact headlines we're reading today had Cruz and Lee not even existed.

Yes, it provides a feeling of Schadenfreude for some...but be honest...it was a non-event for everybody except Cruz and Lee.
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Cruz is a bright guy and persistent.

He labeled for the dull that Conservatives were opposed to Obysmal Care.


And with impeccable timing.

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What I said was that now that the smoke has cleared a bit, it's obvious to everybody that we'd be reading the same exact headlines we're reading today had Cruz and Lee not even existed.

Yes, it provides a feeling of Schadenfreude for some...but be honest...it was a non-event for everybody except Cruz and Lee.

I think it is way too early to make that pronouncement. 

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Once again, right out of the box, you purposely misinterpret what somebody types.   Where the heck did I say that Cruz was responsible for the 2 week shutdown?

Actually, with all due respect, I did not misinterpret anything.  You asked:

Would we all be in the same place today regarding Obamacare, had Cruz not filibustered?  If the Shutdown was avoided?


Your question included Cruz in the same paragraph as the shutdown and Obamacare.

All I said is Cruz was not responsible for the shutdown. Sorry if stating the obvious upsets you.   I guess I could have said your question was apples and oranges.   

 If you did not mean to intimate Cruz was responsible for the shutdown then your question makes little sense to me.  A different way of interpreting your question could be:

"would the GOP be in the same place in the eyes of voters today regarding Obamacare had Cruz not filibustered or the shutdown had been avoided..."

The answer to that question would be

a) yes the country would be in the same place, but the GOP, in MY view, would not be viewed as positively as they are today in this point in history - in particular Cruz and Lee - had the filibuster not taken place.

b) As for the shutdown, that was the administrations doing and according to polls both parties take equal blame on it so the shutdown is past history and is a wash.

c) What people remember today is Cruz and Lee tried to warn everyone the time was short to save us all from the disaster that was coming October 1st.  Today they see that while Cruz and Lee were working for everyday Americans  Obama, and even a lot of Republicans, tried to throw darts and arrows at them. We need little more in the way of proof than the biggest arrow-thrower - John McCain suddenly getting on the kill the bill bandwagon last Thursday on Greta.

d) I would say Cruz and Lee were basically today's version of Paul Revere.  They saw this train-wreck coming and tried to warn everyone how bad this was going to be.  They were right.


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