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Re: For Millennials The Patriotic Response to Obamacare is to Rip America Off
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2013, 08:51:24 PM »
Far too many of the Me-llennials have been programed to not only expect a "tax refund" every year, but to look on it as a great savings vehicle.


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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2013, 09:03:19 PM »
Excellent, massadjv.

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Re: For Millennials The Patriotic Response to Obamacare is to Rip America Off
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2013, 09:23:41 PM »
A splendid little piece, Massadvj. Well written and cogent.
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Re: For Millennials The Patriotic Response to Obamacare is to Rip America Off
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2013, 09:28:37 PM »
Most excellent, sir!    :beer:

One thing...the IRS comes down hard on taxpayers who inflate their claimed dependents (exemptions) on their W-4....and end up owing money.

Manipulating the numbers to spread your anticipated refund over the year is one thing....as long as it's a wash.
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Re: For Millennials The Patriotic Response to Obamacare is to Rip America Off
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2013, 09:35:15 PM »
Most excellent, sir!    :beer:

One thing...the IRS comes down hard on taxpayers who inflate their claimed dependents (exemptions) on their W-4....and end up owing money.

Manipulating the numbers to spread your anticipated refund over the year is one thing....as long as it's a wash.

Yes, I agree.  For a typical single 30 year-old about 3 or 4 exemptions ought to do the trick.  One should not take more than that unless one is sure one can withstand an audit.
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Re: For Millennials The Patriotic Response to Obamacare is to Rip America Off
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2013, 10:08:08 PM »
Very good summary. I posted it on FB, and hope it gets spread around.

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Re: For Millennials The Patriotic Response to Obamacare is to Rip America Off
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2013, 10:15:26 PM »
That's where I first saw it.

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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2013, 10:34:29 PM »
Very good summary. I posted it on FB, and hope it gets spread around.

Thanks, happy! 
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Re: For Millennials The Patriotic Response to Obamacare is to Rip America Off
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2013, 11:11:18 PM »
And excellent piece of writing my friend!

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Re: For Millennials The Patriotic Response to Obamacare is to Rip America Off
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2013, 06:47:24 AM »
It is a very well written piece but one bit of constructive criticism.  While those of our generations had the patience to read it, the younger folk may not.  These are people used to reading thoughts in 140 characters or less, sometime much less.
The money line was the free download reference.  There are also two distinct audiences, men who are naturally rebellious and young women who aren't used to paying for much of anything. 
It is masterfully written.
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Re: For Millennials The Patriotic Response to Obamacare is to Rip America Off
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2013, 06:58:46 AM »
Superbly written (apart from a couple of run on sentences - pet peeve).
Nice mix of informal and informative, with actual solid advice.
Topical and interesting.

North is right though - always use a strapline. The hook, we call it. You have 3 to 5 seconds to catch a readers interest online, since pictures of cats or Kardashians are a single click away.
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Re: For Millennials The Patriotic Response to Obamacare is to Rip America Off
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2013, 06:59:02 AM »
It is a very well written piece but one bit of constructive criticism.  While those of our generations had the patience to read it, the younger folk may not.  These are people used to reading thoughts in 140 characters or less, sometime much less.
The money line was the free download reference.  There are also two distinct audiences, men who are naturally rebellious and young women who aren't used to paying for much of anything. 
It is masterfully written.

I see your point.  I guess it would have been more effective if I had put the message into a video game.
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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2013, 07:19:17 AM »
I see your point.  I guess it would have been more effective if I had put the message into a video game.

It's a bumper sticker world.  There is no more time for introspection.  The frightening thing is, where will be in another 25 years? 
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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2013, 07:22:57 AM »
I see your point.  I guess it would have been more effective if I had put the message into a video game.

See my comment above. But yes - that would be a very effective way of getting the message across.
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Re: For Millennials The Patriotic Response to Obamacare is to Rip America Off
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2013, 07:40:35 AM »
Superbly written (apart from a couple of run on sentences - pet peeve).
Nice mix of informal and informative, with actual solid advice.
Topical and interesting.

North is right though - always use a strapline. The hook, we call it. You have 3 to 5 seconds to catch a readers interest online, since pictures of cats or Kardashians are a single click away.

Kind of like, "I can haz freedom if I wantz it"?  With a cute picture of a cat.  That might reach out and touch.
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« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2013, 07:49:39 AM »
Kind of like, "I can haz freedom if I wantz it"?  With a cute picture of a cat.  That might reach out and touch.

Liberal Logic 101 does that sort of thing - but I just realized something.

They do it negatively, in the main. Bash the Libs for their failures in basic comprehension. It might be good to have some positive image macros, promoting conservatism.
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Re: For Millennials The Patriotic Response to Obamacare is to Rip America Off
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2013, 08:10:00 AM »
Yeah, but how do you say to the liberal minded, you know the way you are? well, don't be that way?

 .... without being negative.

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« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2013, 08:17:02 AM »
Yeah, but how do you say to the liberal minded, you know the way you are? well, don't be that way?

 .... without being negative.

(I should finish thought before hitting post)

Speak very slowly and use lots of pictures.  :laugh:
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« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2013, 08:19:42 AM »
Yeah, but how do you say to the liberal minded, you know the way you are? well, don't be that way?

As a college prof I deal with Millennials on a daily basis.  I don't believe they really understand the differences between "liberal" and "conservative."  What they thought they understood about OPapaDoc was that he was "cool."  Supporting him meant they got laid, and not supporting him meant they didn't.  It's not much more complicated than that.

Lately, OPapaDoc is becoming "uncool."  That presents an opportunity for conservatives.  The problem is, how do we break through their gatekeepers like Jon Stewart?  We desperately need a conservative who speaks their language.
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Re: For Millennials The Patriotic Response to Obamacare is to Rip America Off
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2013, 08:28:46 AM »
You answered your own question.

Humor. Think of how popular Cracked and the Onion are - both with a strong left wing slant. I don't consider it a coincidence that there is a swelling of bitterness against Obamacare that just happened to coincide with Stewart and Leno ripping into it.
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« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2013, 08:34:49 AM »
You answered your own question.

Humor. Think of how popular Cracked and the Onion are - both with a strong left wing slant. I don't consider it a coincidence that there is a swelling of bitterness against Obamacare that just happened to coincide with Stewart and Leno ripping into it.

Very true.  But the MSM will never take the next step and close the loop by indicting the ideology that produced Obamacare in the first place.  That's what we need to figure out how to do.  Unfortunately, our best spokespersons don't break through to Millennials. 

Humor is key.
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Re: For Millennials The Patriotic Response to Obamacare is to Rip America Off
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2013, 08:37:19 AM »
As a college prof I deal with Millennials on a daily basis.  I don't believe they really understand the differences between "liberal" and "conservative."  What they thought they understood about OPapaDoc was that he was "cool."  Supporting him meant they got laid, and not supporting him meant they didn't.  It's not much more complicated than that.

Lately, OPapaDoc is becoming "uncool."  That presents an opportunity for conservatives.  The problem is, how do we break through their gatekeepers like Jon Stewart?  We desperately need a conservative who speaks their language.

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Why would the young people be able to tell the difference between mainstream liberalism or conservatism?  Neither of them speak to freedom or liberty anymore.  Your earnings go to the same master. 
The government is the government is the government, to adjust a phrase. 
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Re: For Millennials The Patriotic Response to Obamacare is to Rip America Off
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2013, 08:59:50 AM »
Very true.  But the MSM will never take the next step and close the loop by indicting the ideology that produced Obamacare in the first place.  That's what we need to figure out how to do.  Unfortunately, our best spokespersons don't break through to Millennials. 

Humor is key.

How about we dangle some birth control pills in front of them? 

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Re: For Millennials The Patriotic Response to Obamacare is to Rip America Off
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2013, 09:06:44 AM »
Nicely done, Victor.

You've captured an essential truth about humanity: with the passing of each generation, nothing ever really changes except the cast of characters.

The Millennials presently find themselves in the same discordant frame of mind as we Baby Boomers once did, as the sound of our own boastfulness at being able to "change the world" begins to ring off the walls of Reality not in harmony, but in cacophony.

Doubtless, many will slump their shoulders in disappointment and narrow their eyes in frustration with a world that refuses to conform to their expectations, but they'll get over it - just as most of us did.

They will also largely discover that the key to success is found in choosing your own path, and taking responsibility for your own life and ownership of your own decisions; in other words: by rational self-interest.  They will also learn along the way not to take themselves quite so seriously, nor to make false idols of others, especially those who endeavor to make idols of themselves.

All in all, I think you've given them good advice.

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