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Brit Hume says that this Obamacare rollout has become as bad a political disaster as he’s ever seen, especially given that Democrats are now breaking ranks with the president, including Dianne Feinstein who isn’t even up for reelection. Hume says this a huge opportunity for Republicans and they should be ready with a health care plan to offer as an alternative.

Watch: Video at link:  http://therightscoop.com/brit-hume-on-democrats-breaking-ranks-with-obama-this-is-as-bad-a-political-disaster-as-ive-ever-seen/

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Brit Hume says that this Obamacare rollout has become as bad a political disaster as he’s ever seen, especially given that Democrats are now breaking ranks with the president, including Dianne Feinstein who isn’t even up for reelection. Hume says this a huge opportunity for Republicans and they should be ready with a health care plan to offer as an alternative.

Watch: Video at link:  http://therightscoop.com/brit-hume-on-democrats-breaking-ranks-with-obama-this-is-as-bad-a-political-disaster-as-ive-ever-seen/


I read an interesting op-ed today which pointed out that one reason we continue to have ever increasing size of government is the GOP never says it is better to leave these things to the private sector.. instead they think they still have to have a "government" plan in place... and we get ever- increasing size of our government as a result - which is why both parties are equally complicit on this mess - just one is a little worse than the other. 



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I read an interesting op-ed today which pointed out that one reason we continue to have ever increasing size of government is the GOP never says it is better to leave these things to the private sector.. instead they think they still have to have a "government" plan in place... and we get ever- increasing size of our government as a result - which is why both parties are equally complicit on this mess - just one is a little worse than the other.

The GOP is just a bit slower, but are still growing government nonetheless.

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I read an interesting op-ed today which pointed out that one reason we continue to have ever increasing size of government is the GOP never says it is better to leave these things to the private sector.. instead they think they still have to have a "government" plan in place... and we get ever- increasing size of our government as a result - which is why both parties are equally complicit on this mess - just one is a little worse than the other.


In troubled times voters demand action.  Legislation doesn't have to fix the problem but it does have to be offered.  In 1936 FDR and the rats offered more of the same crap that didn't fix the economy in FDR's first 4 years.  The GOP stood in opposition and got creamed.



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"For twelve years this Nation was afflicted with hear-nothing, see-nothing, do-nothing Government. The Nation looked to Government but the Government looked away."

The GOP needs some plan to replace Obamacare and mitigate the underlining problems of skyrocketing cost and our fellow Americans who have life threatening sickness and no insurance and no way to pay for treatments.  Like I said the legislation doesn't have to solve the problems but it does need to seriously address them.  Like solving street crime with midnight basketball.

Past that, the GOP is sitting pretty.  Not only did we not bring Obamacare to life we tried very hard to kill it. 42 or 43 votes to repeal and a shutdown to defund.  Nobody is pinning this stuff on us.  We did all we could legally do with our majority in the House.
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Brit Hume says that this Obamacare rollout has become as bad a political disaster as he’s ever seen, especially given that Democrats are now breaking ranks with the president, including Dianne Feinstein who isn’t even up for reelection. Hume says this a huge opportunity for Republicans and they should be ready with a health care plan to offer as an alternative.

Watch: Video at link:  http://therightscoop.com/brit-hume-on-democrats-breaking-ranks-with-obama-this-is-as-bad-a-political-disaster-as-ive-ever-seen/


This would have been true until the days of Reagan.  Since then republicans have devolved into a democrat support group and no opportunities exist except what marse  Barack, Marse Harry, and miss Nancy tell them are available; and that is scraps from the democratic table. :bash:
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Brit Hume says that this Obamacare rollout has become as bad a political disaster as he’s ever seen, especially given that Democrats are now breaking ranks with the president, including Dianne Feinstein who isn’t even up for reelection. Hume says this a huge opportunity for Republicans and they should be ready with a health care plan to offer as an alternative.

Watch: Video at link:  http://therightscoop.com/brit-hume-on-democrats-breaking-ranks-with-obama-this-is-as-bad-a-political-disaster-as-ive-ever-seen/


Really??  I am no more confident that Republicans can craft a Government Health Care plan than I am about the Democrats doing it.

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Really??  I am no more confident that Republicans can craft a Government Health Care plan than I am about the Democrats doing it.

I am! Tremendously so as they would take government out of any plan they would craft and THAT is the only thing that ever has worked , or ever will!
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I'm betting that Bambi's stubborn streak will ensure that the ACA disaster is as large as it can possibly be...


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Hume had me on board until he said that Republicans needed to be ready with a plan of their own.

What the hell was wrong with the health-care system already in place?

If 30 Million Americans are without coverage....set up a system to deal with them....and not compromise the best health-care system in the world.
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I am! Tremendously so as they would take government out of any plan they would craft and THAT is the only thing that ever has worked , or ever will!

Unfortunately, I don't hear any Republicans putting forth any viable ideas about what to do, other than "delay the mandate" which does nothing for the 5 million who have already been cancelled.  The longer this is allowed to continue the worse it will be, and by January 1st there is no telling how many people will have had their health insurance cancelled, and who have absolutely no viable alternative.

And with Harry Reid in the Senate, and Obama in the White House, the Republicans have exactly zero chance of doing anything meaningful or helpful.

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Hume had me on board until he said that Republicans needed to be ready with a plan of their own.

What the hell was wrong with the health-care system already in place?

If 30 Million Americans are without coverage....set up a system to deal with them....and not compromise the best health-care system in the world.

Lots of things wrong with it but all of them could  and should have been corrected by applying free market principles and leaving the government out of it!

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We have watched the GOPe morph into a European style conservative party before our eyes.

Liberals want limitless government. The answer to all problems is government.

GOPe quietly agrees with liberals, but promises to manage that governmental monster better.

It's what the stupid public has been groomed to want.

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Unfortunately, I don't hear any Republicans putting forth any viable ideas about what to do, other than "delay the mandate" which does nothing for the 5 million who have already been cancelled.  The longer this is allowed to continue the worse it will be, and by January 1st there is no telling how many people will have had their health insurance cancelled, and who have absolutely no viable alternative.

And with Harry Reid in the Senate, and Obama in the White House, the Republicans have exactly zero chance of doing anything meaningful or helpful.

We must be listening to different things as I have heard Republicans propose a number of things that were and are VERY viable. First among them is to open up the insurance market and allow competition across state lines!

I agree that Commies like Reid will stand in the way of anything that resembles a free market solution but even he can be run over!


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Hume had me on board until he said that Republicans needed to be ready with a plan of their own.

What the hell was wrong with the health-care system already in place?

If 30 Million Americans are without coverage....set up a system to deal with them....and not compromise the best health-care system in the world.

We got to this place because health insurance was ignored by Republicans. The costs were exploding. The rules were difficult to understand, and at times didn't make sense. Even for people who worked hard, bought insurance, did the right things, a major illness would often lead to bankruptcy. The public was frustrated and afraid, and the GOP offered medicare part D.

I am for small government, but there are times government should at least try to assist. I understand that often, governmental meddling makes things worse. But, the problem was runaway, and something other than ignoring it was needed.

So, given the public's acceptance of socialism, and the problems in the health insurance world, the GOP needs to have an alternate plan, or they can sit down, shut up and watch Hillary implement single payer.

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We have watched the GOPe morph into a European style conservative party before our eyes.

Liberals want limitless government. The answer to all problems is government.

GOPe quietly agrees with liberals, but promises to manage that governmental monster better.

It's what the stupid public has been groomed to want.

Great description of what is going on in the District of Corruption. :hands:
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We must be listening to different things as I have heard Republicans propose a number of things that were and are VERY viable. First among them is to open up the insurance market and allow competition across state lines!

I agree that Commies like Reid will stand in the way of anything that resembles a free market solution but even he can be run over!

Again, I see no effective leadership emerging in the Republican Party that can successfully "run over" Harry Reid and the Democrats in the Senate.  And with Obama in the White House nothing the Republicans have put forth in the last four years has worked, other than the so-called "Sequester" which was the most effective budget cuts in the past decade, and many of the Republicans are actively working to undo even that!


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Again, I see no effective leadership emerging in the Republican Party that can successfully "run over" Harry Reid and the Democrats in the Senate.  And with Obama in the White House nothing the Republicans have put forth in the last four years has worked, other than the so-called "Sequester" which was the most effective budget cuts in the past decade, and many of the Republicans are actively working to undo even that!

With regard to current leadership I cannot disagree but we need to change that!

There have been no "budget cuts"!!! Just a very slight reduction in the rate of growth which IS something positive to be sure!
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Hume had me on board until he said that Republicans needed to be ready with a plan of their own.

What the hell was wrong with the health-care system already in place?

If 30 Million Americans are without coverage....set up a system to deal with them....and not compromise the best health-care system in the world.


That was the crux of my post.  Nothing was wrong with it.  People got on board the Obamacare wagon because they thought they were going to get it cheaper or free because we have become a nation of people who are clueless about economics and seem to think the government has to do it or its not right... on fact most of the former uninsured were by choice, people who were had the policy they were willing to pay for, the poor had Medicaid and the old Medicare and doctors have volunteered in free clinics to help people who have nothing for Yeats.
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We got to this place because health insurance was ignored by Republicans. The costs were exploding. The rules were difficult to understand, and at times didn't make sense. Even for people who worked hard, bought insurance, did the right things, a major illness would often lead to bankruptcy. The public was frustrated and afraid, and the GOP offered medicare part D.

I am for small government, but there are times government should at least try to assist. I understand that often, governmental meddling makes things worse. But, the problem was runaway, and something other than ignoring it was needed.

So, given the public's acceptance of socialism, and the problems in the health insurance world, the GOP needs to have an alternate plan, or they can sit down, shut up and watch Hillary implement single payer.


Baloney... costs were not exploding... you've bought the freaking media and democrats spin... in inflation dollars doctors keep making less.  Want to know why... lawyers!!!!!  Malpractice insurance makes up a HUGE portion of what a doctor's fee is.... you want the GOPe to do something... then there it is... tort reform.  BTW in Calif. The yearly cost of rrenewing a license for a doctor is over $12,000 plus malpractice plus rent us staff plus supplies and equipment plus the added costs now of EHR...
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There are things that the Republicans could have done regarding health care what would not have involved bigger government.

-Allow insurance to be sold nationwide, not state by state as it is now.
-Make all HSA contributions tax free and do not have a time limit on use
-Make health insurance costs tax deductible
-Tort reform to get rid of bogus lawsuits and make it loser pays
-Reform Medicaid to try and cut off those who do not need it (This would save the government some $$$)
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We do not yet understand the full scope and breadth of this "political" disaster.  Real people are getting hurt as will the nation. 
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There are things that the Republicans could have done regarding health care what would not have involved bigger government.

-Allow insurance to be sold nationwide, not state by state as it is now.
-Make all HSA contributions tax free and do not have a time limit on use
-Make health insurance costs tax deductible
-Tort reform to get rid of bogus lawsuits and make it loser pays
-Reform Medicaid to try and cut off those who do not need it (This would save the government some $$$)

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and let the insurance purchasers and sellers decide what coverage a person wants - not the flipping government.
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Baloney... costs were not exploding... you've bought the freaking media and democrats spin... in inflation dollars doctors keep making less.  Want to know why... lawyers!!!!!  Malpractice insurance makes up a HUGE portion of what a doctor's fee is.... you want the GOPe to do something... then there it is... tort reform.  BTW in Calif. The yearly cost of rrenewing a license for a doctor is over $12,000 plus malpractice plus rent us staff plus supplies and equipment plus the added costs now of EHR...

Interesting. You scold me for buying Dem spin, then go on to explain a factor in increasing costs. Take a breath, try to visualize before you rant.

If I sell you something, and the price is high, you don't care how it got to be high, you just know it is. That's the cost, right?

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Interesting. You scold me for buying Dem spin, then go on to explain a factor in increasing costs. Take a breath, try to visualize before you rant.

If I sell you something, and the price is high, you don't care how it got to be high, you just know it is. That's the cost, right?

I can tell you without any equivocation that healthcare and health insurance both would cost one heck of a lot less if the government were not involved in it than it does WITH it involved!



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