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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2013, 10:24:32 AM »
When we stop pretending "fly over" country is amber waves of high kicking teen aged drum majorettes, apple pie baking moms, steely eyed righteous parsons and boys enlisting and not hands out for subsidies farmers and electors of some of the  most liberal senators in the nation's history, we can get started on righting this ship.  I mentioned on another thread, all people vote their interests, whether it's obamaphones or ethanol subsidies.
A united electorate isn't rocket science.  Find one basic issue, keep religion and race out of it and focus like a LASER.  Everybody needs to eat.  Everybody wants more money.  Everybody wants more for their own. 
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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2013, 10:34:12 AM »
Christie has the potential. People who know him say he's the genuine article. But whether his tough guy persona will play well in Iowa remains to be seen. Giuliani had that same potential and look where it got him.
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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2013, 11:11:20 AM »

Christie is being built up by the media so he can go down in flames against Hellary.

Nothing more...


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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2013, 11:14:11 AM »
When we stop pretending "fly over" country is amber waves of high kicking teen aged drum majorettes, apple pie baking moms, steely eyed righteous parsons and boys enlisting and not hands out for subsidies farmers and electors of some of the  most liberal senators in the nation's history, we can get started on righting this ship.  I mentioned on another thread, all people vote their interests, whether it's obamaphones or ethanol subsidies.
A united electorate isn't rocket science.  Find one basic issue, keep religion and race out of it and focus like a LASER.  Everybody needs to eat.  Everybody wants more money.  Everybody wants more for their own.

Good point. The GOP gets so bogged down in the religion/social issue swamp that it drowns them.
Americans aren't as religious, or moral, as they were 30 years ago. Like it or not, it's true.

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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2013, 11:14:56 AM »
Christie is being built up by the media so he can go down in flames against Hellary.

Nothing more...

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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2013, 11:26:50 AM »
Good point. The GOP gets so bogged down in the religion/social issue swamp that it drowns them.
Americans aren't as religious, or moral, as they were 30 years ago. Like it or not, it's true.

I agree.  It is what it is.

I was at a dinner party on Halloween.  Politics came up, and the people there pretty well scoffed at the Tea Party because they perceived it exactly that way-like a resurgence of Pat Robertson.   And one of them was a freedom-loving fiscal conservative who would buy into the TP philosophy if he was clear on what it was.

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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2013, 11:42:42 AM »
I agree.  It is what it is.

I was at a dinner party on Halloween.  Politics came up, and the people there pretty well scoffed at the Tea Party because they perceived it exactly that way-like a resurgence of Pat Robertson.   And one of them was a freedom-loving fiscal conservative who would buy into the TP philosophy if he was clear on what it was.

The TP started as grass roots, with no leader, no spokesman. Ideal for liberty. Each group was whatever they wanted to be with conservatism as a common thread. Conservatism in the sense of small government, and fiscal responsibility. Seemed like a good idea to me, but I didn't count on the efforts of the traitorous, liberal media.

If you have a loosely bound group consisting of many parts, it's easy to find the outliers and cast the whole group as conforming to the outlier's views. With no central body, and no national spokesperson, the target was just too easy for the media.

The media is expert at telling a stupid public what to think. Here is the current orthodoxy:

Republicans are very uncool, if you vote Republican, you can never be part of the "in" crowd like Kanye and Kim.
Republican = rich, old, angry, racist, white MEN.
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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2013, 11:43:27 AM »
I agree.  It is what it is.

I was at a dinner party on Halloween.  Politics came up, and the people there pretty well scoffed at the Tea Party because they perceived it exactly that way-like a resurgence of Pat Robertson.   And one of them was a freedom-loving fiscal conservative who would buy into the TP philosophy if he was clear on what it was.

It's what's preventing good, blue-collar, Reagan Democrats from getting back.
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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2013, 11:53:32 AM »
Wow...if he was the Republican Bill Clinton, he'd probably crush a few interns to death.
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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2013, 11:55:07 AM »
The media is expert at telling a stupid public what to think.

Myself, I use every opportunity to open people's eyes to the lie that is our 'free press'.

Basically, I tell them that if they are relying on the TV to tell them what reality is, they are being lied to on a constant and consistent basis.

If they can't figure it out after that, well... I've done what I can do...

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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2013, 12:22:12 PM »
Well, Chris Christie's On The Issues chart is similar to Bill Clinton's.




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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2013, 12:35:01 PM »
Good point. The GOP gets so bogged down in the religion/social issue swamp that it drowns them.
Americans aren't as religious, or moral, as they were 30 years ago. Like it or not, it's true.

If that is true, and I think it is, the left have successfully used this, to portray the GOP as clinging to a past that will not return.

Too many GOP figures, give them examples. And the beat goes on.

One aspect of the Cucc loss which I have NOT seen discussed is going from McDonals 58% four years ago, to over 10% below that for Cucc. Could that partly be his social issues stridency?
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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2013, 12:45:12 PM »
The TP started as grass roots, with no leader, no spokesman. Ideal for liberty ... but I didn't count on the efforts of the traitorous, liberal media.

If you have a loosely bound group consisting of many parts, it's easy to find the outliers and cast the whole group as conforming to the outlier's views. With no central body, and no national spokesperson, the target was just too easy for the media. ...

Great observation. Complete agreement.

What you described is an argument for the tea party to reach some accord or coalition with establishment GOP, rather than make an attempt at autonomy. We already have plenty of third parties.
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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2013, 01:39:08 PM »
Why do we need a Republican Bill Clinton?  Why not just vote for Hillary, the genuine article?

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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2013, 01:59:30 PM »
Except Hillary is not pro-life or pro-traditional marriage or pro-business. Nor is Hillary for tax cuts or shrinking government spending as Chris Christie as governor of New Jersey has proven he is for.

With all due respect, your comparison is specious.
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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2013, 02:28:03 PM »
The TP started as grass roots, with no leader, no spokesman. Ideal for liberty. Each group was whatever they wanted to be with conservatism as a common thread. Conservatism in the sense of small government, and fiscal responsibility. Seemed like a good idea to me, but I didn't count on the efforts of the traitorous, liberal media.

If you have a loosely bound group consisting of many parts, it's easy to find the outliers and cast the whole group as conforming to the outlier's views. With no central body, and no national spokesperson, the target was just too easy for the media.

The media is expert at telling a stupid public what to think.


That was exactly what I was trying to explain to them.   I even read a book on the virtues of organizing that way--in loose clusters with no central organization--I can't remember the name of the book, and its driving me crazy.

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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2013, 02:28:10 PM »
Except Hillary is not pro-life or pro-traditional marriage or pro-business. Nor is Hillary for tax cuts or shrinking government spending as Chris Christie as governor of New Jersey has proven he is for.

With all due respect, your comparison is specious.

Your comment just made me realize something, Christie's principles aren't very deep.  For example, he was against obamacare, went against setting up exchanges and such until the first couple of Republican governors went with Medicaid expansion, then he went for it.  Same thing with gun control and gay marriage.
He's not against anything as long as he isn't the first.  He's not a leader, he's a follower.
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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2013, 02:30:11 PM »
That was exactly what I was trying to explain to them.   I even read a book on the virtues of organizing that way--in loose clusters with no central organization--I can't remember the name of the book, and its driving me crazy.

I don't know the name of the book either but it's a central principle in anti-government groups.  Basic cell structure, prevents people from knowing co-conspirators.
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2013, 02:35:21 PM »
Remembered it!  :woohoo:

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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2013, 03:20:24 PM »
Why do we need a Republican Bill Clinton?  Why not just vote for Hillary, the genuine article?

Bingo. In just about every state in the union other than NJ, NY, CA or WA -  Christie is a Democrat.

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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2013, 03:22:26 PM »
Except Hillary is not pro-life or pro-traditional marriage or pro-business. Nor is Hillary for tax cuts or shrinking government spending as Chris Christie as governor of New Jersey has proven he is for.

With all due respect, your comparison is specious.

Neither is Christie.  A tax cutter doesn't expand medicaid in their state.  And the economy in NJ is absolutely nothing to write home about... Christie has done nothing to turn it around - unlike Perry in Texas for example.

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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2013, 03:35:26 PM »
Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton?

I don't know. Does he like cigars?

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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2013, 03:37:51 PM »
Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton?

I don't know. Does he like cigars?

Don't know about that, but the book Double Down says his wife has a really foul mouth - just like Hillary.

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Re: Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton? By: Rich Lowry
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