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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2013, 10:02:37 AM »
So, in summary, Larry Sabato, who seems to be one of those moderates says Cuccinelli's showing may mean something, but if the GOP should move to the middle because of Christie's showing.

He's probably right if all you want to do is win elections. Yes, I know, you have to win in order to have influence. But, if you run as, and govern as a liberal, then what's my incentive to vote for a liberal Republican?

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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2013, 10:14:58 AM »
So, in summary, Larry Sabato, who seems to be one of those moderates says Cuccinelli's showing may mean something, but if the GOP should move to the middle because of Christie's showing.

He's probably right if all you want to do is win elections. Yes, I know, you have to win in order to have influence. But, if you run as, and govern as a liberal, then what's my incentive to vote for a liberal Republican?

The GOP establishment had better buy a clue and move toward conservatism if it wants to survive!

If they did that they would win MORE rather than less elections!

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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2013, 10:22:17 AM »
The GOP establishment had better buy a clue and move toward conservatism if it wants to survive!

If they did that they would win MORE rather than less elections!

I don't know, America has moved a lot to the left.

But, for those that run as conservatives, it would make governing a lot easier if they win. Currently, a Republican runs to the right for the primary, then back to the middle/left for the general. The problem with that is, how do you govern? You can't make everyone happy when you've promised everything to everyone. If you run right, get elected, and govern right, you'll be re-elected.

The biggest problem Republicans have is not conservative principles, it's the brand. Americans have been brainwashed by the msm to believe Republicans are the party of old, rich, angry, racist white MEN. Very uncool. A lot of the stupid American electorate would vote Republican if the issues were laid before them without party affiliation. Once you mention Republican or Democrat, that changes things.
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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2013, 01:49:07 PM »
I don't know, America has moved a lot to the left. 

Polls state that isn't true, Relic.  I think we have voters who are sick of there being no difference in the two parties and more and more are just sitting out the elections.

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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2013, 02:32:23 PM »
Polls state that isn't true, Relic.  I think we have voters who are sick of there being no difference in the two parties and more and more are just sitting out the elections.
Well if America remains "conservative" whatever that is, why can't conservatives appeal to like-minded voters?

Something is deficient, unfocused, misunderstood, poorly stated, ineffective about conservatism.

The currently popular rantings about rinos and GOPe, and TPrers, is not going to win elections, but it sure is entertaining, and fills the time slots on cable TV, radio, and news columns.
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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2013, 02:47:00 PM »
Well if America remains "conservative" whatever that is, why can't conservatives appeal to like-minded voters?

Something is deficient, unfocused, misunderstood, poorly stated, ineffective about conservatism.

The currently popular rantings about rinos and GOPe, and TPrers, is not going to win elections, but it sure is entertaining, and fills the time slots on cable TV, radio, and news columns.

Conservatives have to get past both Democrats and the GOPe... on the other hand the GOPe only has to fight Democrats and since there isn't  big difference between the two voters end up going with the real Democrat rather than the fake Republican.
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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2013, 03:58:43 PM »
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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2013, 04:43:19 PM »
Polls state that isn't true, Relic.  I think we have voters who are sick of there being no difference in the two parties and more and more are just sitting out the elections.

Has been my thought for a while.
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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2013, 05:10:45 PM »
Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle

This wouldn't be a move to the center, it would be a move to the LEFT.  But to keep people from seeing that, the "political scientist" covers the truth through rhetoric by saying it a move to the center. :nono:
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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2013, 05:18:04 PM »
Conservatives have to get past both Democrats and the GOPe... on the other hand the GOPe only has to fight Democrats and since there isn't  big difference between the two voters end up going with the real Democrat rather than the fake Republican.
And of course conservatives are always surprised at the last minute-never seen any of this before, and couldn't possibly have been expected to anticipate?

IOW conservatives are always victims of matters beyond their control?
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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2013, 05:27:38 PM »
And of course conservatives are always surprised at the last minute-never seen any of this before, and couldn't possibly have been expected to anticipate?


And of course conservatives -GOP elites- are always surprised at the last minute-never seen any of this before, and couldn't possibly have been expected to anticipate?

There, fixed it.

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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2013, 06:51:54 PM »
It means the GOP-e will double down on moving more to the left.
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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2013, 09:15:59 PM »
[[ I agree. But we must develop the language with which to promote it and propose to join with those who may not agree with us in all matters - even with some on the Left - in pursuit of a common goal of leading the country away from the disastrous road we are so evidently traveling, and back toward the sound, defensible principles on which it was founded. ]]

Fine post, Andy, but I sense that time left for "the soap box" is running out...

And I sense that the "other side" realizes this as well, and is actively preparing for the consequences...

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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2013, 01:56:37 AM »
To begin with, I do not believe that the problem is "conservatism", by which I mean the philosophy of governance that it represents.

There has been a persistent difficulty with respect to the manner in which our philosophy has been presented and explained by its advocates.

Agreed. The truth is to win elections, requires support not only from TPers but other Republicans, independents, libertarians and a few democrats.

And those groups do not share a common set of first priority positions. And any and all steps to pit them against each other, plays into the democrats hands.
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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2013, 03:54:40 AM »
Polls state that isn't true, Relic.  I think we have voters who are sick of there being no difference in the two parties and more and more are just sitting out the elections.

Oh so Cuccinelli just didn't let voters know how different he was.  Perhaps if he said stuff louder and more angry the voters of VA would have embraced him.
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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2013, 04:25:53 AM »
Polls state that isn't true, Relic.  I think we have voters who are sick of there being no difference in the two parties and more and more are just sitting out the elections.

In fact, more and more people are voting.

Voter turnout was highest between 1840 and 1900. The modern era has seen substantially lower voter turnout. However, since 1996 voter turnout has been steadily increasing to levels last seen in 1950s and 60s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_elections
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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2013, 05:10:42 AM »
In fact, more and more people are voting.

Voter turnout was highest between 1840 and 1900. The modern era has seen substantially lower voter turnout. However, since 1996 voter turnout has been steadily increasing to levels last seen in 1950s and 60s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_elections

I might say the "wrong" people are voting.  The people who are voting for free stuff as opposed to further a grand philosophical ideal.  It's a bit ridiculous to expect other people NOT to vote for what they believe their interests are when that's exactly what people on our side are doing.
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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2013, 07:45:33 AM »
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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2013, 08:00:59 AM »
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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2013, 08:08:26 AM »
Conservatives have to get past both Democrats and the GOPe... on the other hand the GOPe only has to fight Democrats and since there isn't  big difference between the two voters end up going with the real Democrat rather than the fake Republican.


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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2013, 08:11:23 AM »
Polls state that isn't true, Relic.  I think we have voters who are sick of there being no difference in the two parties and more and more are just sitting out the elections.

We're deluding ourselves with that mindset.

We're outnumbered....and soon to be crushed by the addition of another 20+ Million illegals getting amnesty/citizenship.
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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2013, 08:13:34 AM »
We're deluding ourselves with that mindset.

We're outnumbered....and soon to be crushed by the addition of another 20+ Million illegals getting amnesty/citizenship.

Wait, what?  Do my eyes deceive me or are you being sarcastic?

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Re: Political Scientist: Cuccinelli's Showing May Curb GOP Move to Middle
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2013, 08:17:21 AM »
Lets not forget that 9/11, followed by a new era of a global war on terrorism started on Bush's watch.  Seems to me that was probably kind of expensive.

And, there was Katrina, among other natural disasters.


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