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How Crazies Are Destroying Your Party By Ron Fournier
« on: October 31, 2013, 11:17:51 AM »
http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/how-crazies-are-destroying-your-party-20131031


By Ron Fournier

   

October 31, 2013

This is what happens when the two parties ruling Washington lose touch with America and pander to their crazy-extreme bases: President Obama's competency and personality ratings are nose-diving, according to a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll; barely a sliver of the public thinks highly of the Republican Party; and two-thirds of Americans want to replace their own member of Congress. 

Peter Hart, a Democratic pollster who conducted the survey with Republican Bill McInturff, called this a "Howard Beale moment," a reference to the famous rant from the 1976 movie Network.

"We're mad as hell," Hart said, "and we're not going to take it anymore."

Privately, party strategists agree. On Obama, a Democratic operative who works with the White House emailed me to say: "It's his Titanic moment. He's hit the iceberg, but they keep acting like no water is coming into the ship."

A GOP operative who also requested anonymity said that Wednesday's hearing on Obamacare highlighted what's wrong with his party. "We looked like we were beating [up] the HHS secretary," he said of Kathleen Sebelius. "Why do we have to always overdo it?"

Like many other party regulars, these two operatives worry that hardheaded partisans are pushing both the GOP and Democratic Party away from the political center. The phenomena is playing out unevenly (the GOP is arguably more beholden to its base than the Democrats) and for a number of reasons, including hyper-redistricting, the democratization of political money and the polarization of the public itself. 

But with each self-inflicted Washington crisis, notions such as an independent presidential bid, the dissolution of one or both major parties, and the rise of new political organizations seem less outrageous. The thinking goes like this: If voters today are more empowered than ever via technology (consider the disruption of retail, entertainment, and media industries), how long will they wait before blowing up the two-party system?

The theory plays out three ways in the NBC/WSJ poll:

1) Republicans are blamed more than Democrats for this month's shutdown, and are generally held in the lowest esteem. Their organizing principle seems to be obstruction, even destruction, of the political system. The party is split between establishment Republicans and a no-compromise tea party.

    Only 22 percent see the GOP in a positive light, the lowest rating recorded by NBC/WSJ, one of the most respected polls in politics.
    Thirty-eight percent of Americans blame Republicans for the shutdown, compared with 23 percent who blame Obama and 36 percent equally angry at both sides.
    Only 17 percent of the public has a positive view of House Speaker John Boehner, the highest-ranking GOP elected official. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's favorability rating is just 11 percent.

2) Obama fares better than Republicans, but his second term is entering a danger zone familiar to President George W. Bush. At some point, voters stopped trusting Bush and essentially stopped listening to him. While Obama has a better handle on his base than GOP leaders, he is overly insulated by it. The president and his advisers rarely listen to advice beyond the self-fulfilling kind. Rather than change the culture of Washington as promised, Obama is a captive of it--in part because his liberal loyalists have convinced him that that the message he rode to power was a lie. They help to destroy his audacity to hope for change.

    Just 42 percent of the public approves of Obama's performance, the lowest recorded by NBC/WSJ.
    Likability has long been Obama's strength, but now fewer people view him favorably (41 percent) than unfavorably (45 percent).
    Only 37 percent of the public considers Obamacare a good idea, versus 47 percent who see it as a bad idea.

The pollsters attribute the dramatic decline to a series of setbacks, including the NSA spying scandal, Syria's use of chemical weapons, the government shutdown, and the failed Obamacare rollout. In each case, the president stumbled and dissembled.

3) Partisans in both parties will never admit it, but the public is putting a pox on both houses.

    74 percent of Americans believe Congress is contributing to problems in Washington rather than solving them.
    Only 22 percent think the nation is headed in the right direction. Two-thirds believe that the nation is in a "state of decline."
    Just two of every 10 Americans think the economy will get better in the next year.
    Only three of 10 Americans are optimistic about the future of the U.S. political system.
    A majority of Americans don't identify with either party.


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Re: How Crazies Are Destroying Your Party By Ron Fournier
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2013, 11:31:51 AM »
Democrats swing hard left,  and they are followed in lockstep.

Some Republicans swing hard right at the behest of the voters who put them into office, and they are absolutely vilified--by the united left AND by many of their own. 

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Re: How Crazies Are Destroying Your Party By Ron Fournier
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2013, 11:45:28 AM »
Ron Fournier is so far to the left he's about to fall off the edge!

But He and Dingy Harry Reid ARE telling us who they fear!

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Re: How Crazies Are Destroying Your Party By Ron Fournier
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2013, 12:03:49 PM »
Democrats swing hard left,  and they are followed in lockstep.

Some Republicans swing hard right at the behest of the voters who put them into office, and they are absolutely vilified--by the united left AND by many of their own.

They are vilified because the hard right GOP politicians DAMAGE THE PARTY!!!  No matter what anyone here says, the shutdown was blamed on the GOP and the GOP has suffered the most for it.

This was after a month of rising numbers for the GOP due to Obama's inept handling of Syria.  Instead of getting out of the way and letting Obamacare crash (which it did and many many Republicans thought it would), Cruz and Co. had to draw attention to the Republicans by shutting down the government in a fruitless effort to defund Obama's signature achievement.  GOP numbers would likely be 20 points higher had the shutdown not happened.

And now, Cruz is running around the country, raising money for his presidential campaign, and further damaging his standing with his Senate colleagues by refusing to endorse any of the incumbents.

And idiots pour money into the Conservative Action Fund, most not realizing that almost ALL OF IT is used against fellow Republicans.   This divisiveness will guarantee that Harry Reid returns as Senate Majority  Leader.
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Re: How Crazies Are Destroying Your Party By Ron Fournier
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2013, 12:07:24 PM »
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And now, Cruz is running around the country, raising money for his presidential campaign


Ah....he wouldn't be raising any money or getting huge welcomes if people didn't agree with him.


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Re: How Crazies Are Destroying Your Party By Ron Fournier
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2013, 12:58:56 PM »

Ah....he wouldn't be raising any money or getting huge welcomes if people didn't agree with him.

He's feathering his nest for 2016.  Cruz has decided to follow the Obama playbook to a T:  spend 15 minutes in the Senate and use it as a platform to run for the Presidency.
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2013, 01:03:20 PM »
He's feathering his nest for 2016.  Cruz has decided to follow the Obama playbook to a T:  spend 15 minutes in the Senate and use it as a platform to run for the Presidency.

Good..he's gonna need a lot of money to run..

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Re: How Crazies Are Destroying Your Party By Ron Fournier
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2013, 01:05:39 PM »
Shutdown?  What shutdown?
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2013, 03:53:07 PM »
Palin derangement syndrome has morphed into full blown Cruz derangement syndrome.

 As a conservative I like what the Tea Party and people like Cruz are doing and hope they do more of it.
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Re: How Crazies Are Destroying Your Party By Ron Fournier
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2013, 04:07:46 PM »
More of this from the one note Johnny: And now, Cruz is running around the country, raising money for his presidential campaign

Nobody does more fundraising than The One. Anyone ever see Sinkspur complain about him? Anyone?

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Re: How Crazies Are Destroying Your Party By Ron Fournier
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2013, 04:18:28 PM »
Palin derangement syndrome has morphed into full blown Cruz derangement syndrome.

 As a conservative I like what the Tea Party and people like Cruz are doing and hope they do more of it.

LOL!!   Anybody who disagrees with St. Ted is now "deranged." 

What's deranged is undertaking a strategy that has ZERO CHANCE of success as Cruz and Lee did with the shutdown. 

Got a feeling they ain't gonna try that again. 
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2013, 04:23:18 PM »
LOL!!   Anybody who disagrees with St. Ted is now "deranged." 

What's deranged is undertaking a strategy that has ZERO CHANCE of success as Cruz and Lee did with the shutdown. 

Got a feeling they ain't gonna try that again.

I think he was a hero for trying to stop Obamacare anyway possible.  Would be nice to see you show the same vitriol for Democrats as you show for Conservatives.
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Re: How Crazies Are Destroying Your Party By Ron Fournier
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2013, 04:27:08 PM »
I think he was a hero for trying to stop Obamacare anyway possible.  Would be nice to see you show the same vitriol for Democrats as you show for Conservatives.

What sense does it make to damage the GOP brand with a tactic that WILL NOT WORK?  That's foolish.  That's why the TP's ratings are in the toilet.

I hate Democrats.  That ought to go without saying.   I would assume most everyone here despises the Donkey Party.

  I just hate to see those on our side pull silly, self-serving stunts.
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2013, 04:45:24 PM »
LOL!!   Anybody who disagrees with St. Ted is now "deranged." 

What's deranged is undertaking a strategy that has ZERO CHANCE of success as Cruz and Lee did with the shutdown. 

Got a feeling they ain't gonna try that again.

*St Ted* did something that no one else did...he went to DC to do what his voters wanted and elected him to do...try to stop Obamacare..I applaud him and the few others who shutdown the government which doesn't seem to bother anybody outside the beltway..other than a few here btw.

Im telling ya the old Repub guard is dead...new faces and new ideas are what is going to save the party...stick to the old gray hair'd
cronies and you will never win another election...conservatism wins when it is applied.

Once again I do not understand your hatred for this man!
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