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Re: Did a hungover Secret Service agent accidentally shoot JFK?
« Reply #50 on: November 07, 2013, 04:22:00 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on November 07, 2013, 03:58:57 pm
I think video tape was still in the future at that time.  Of course the film has been put on video tape many times since then.

There was a change in the texture maybe?  I couldn't think of a way to describe it.  Like a change in lighting, it's hard for me to describe but keep it in mind you see it and I think you may notice it.
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Re: Did a hungover Secret Service agent accidentally shoot JFK?
« Reply #51 on: November 07, 2013, 04:24:48 pm »
Quote from: olde north church on November 07, 2013, 04:22:00 pm
There was a change in the texture maybe?  I couldn't think of a way to describe it.  Like a change in lighting, it's hard for me to describe but keep it in mind you see it and I think you may notice it.

Will do! Possibly the film was cut and spliced.

It should also be remembered that Jack Ruby was a well know figure in Dallas law enforcement circles.
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Re: Did a hungover Secret Service agent accidentally shoot JFK?
« Reply #52 on: November 07, 2013, 04:40:57 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on November 07, 2013, 04:24:48 pm
Will do! Possibly the film was cut and spliced.

It should also be remembered that Jack Ruby was a well know figure in Dallas law enforcement circles.

Jack Ruby triggered it.  Just googled it to review, watched it 4 times.  It think what we see these days is a spliced copy from 2 perspectives. Oswald is walking through escorted by LEOs, the crowd opens up /splice/ Jack Ruby shoots.
It might be me but it looks like Oswald covers himself up before Jack "Rubenstein", per Ed Herlihy, shoots.
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Re: Did a hungover Secret Service agent accidentally shoot JFK?
« Reply #53 on: November 07, 2013, 04:58:44 pm »
Quote from: olde north church on November 07, 2013, 04:40:57 pm
Jack Ruby triggered it.  Just googled it to review, watched it 4 times.  It think what we see these days is a spliced copy from 2 perspectives. Oswald is walking through escorted by LEOs, the crowd opens up /splice/ Jack Ruby shoots.
It might be me but it looks like Oswald covers himself up before Jack "Rubenstein", per Ed Herlihy, shoots.

As the article I posted says, that was all staged and Oswald was actually shot and killed later in the ambulance.  Would be interesting to note where Oswalds arms were and where the entrance wound was on the body.  The trajectory the bullet took already does not match the angle of the filmed 'shooting', according to the article.




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Re: Did a hungover Secret Service agent accidentally shoot JFK?
« Reply #54 on: November 07, 2013, 05:07:47 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on November 07, 2013, 03:58:57 pm
I think video tape was still in the future at that time.  Of course the film has been put on video tape many times since then.

It was a kinescope, which describes a process by which live news camera feeds were captured directly off an active monitor and recorded at the studio on film.  Videotape was still in its developmental infancy at the time, although it had been in use for recording (a few) television programs since 1956. All in all, there is really nothing unusual about the broadcast.
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Re: Did a hungover Secret Service agent accidentally shoot JFK?
« Reply #55 on: November 07, 2013, 06:44:02 pm »
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Re: Did a hungover Secret Service agent accidentally shoot JFK?
« Reply #56 on: November 07, 2013, 07:09:43 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on November 05, 2013, 01:17:15 am
Does it really matter at this point?

Thank you, Madam Clinton? :silly:
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Re: Did a hungover Secret Service agent accidentally shoot JFK?
« Reply #57 on: November 08, 2013, 12:03:51 am »
Quote from: rangerrebew on November 07, 2013, 07:09:43 pm
Thank you, Madam Clinton? :silly:

I was thinking it! Just decided not to say it.

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Re: Did a hungover Secret Service agent accidentally shoot JFK?
« Reply #58 on: November 08, 2013, 01:56:52 am »
Quote from: GourmetDan on November 07, 2013, 04:58:44 pm
As the article I posted says, that was all staged and Oswald was actually shot and killed later in the ambulance.  Would be interesting to note where Oswalds arms were and where the entrance wound was on the body.  The trajectory the bullet took already does not match the angle of the filmed 'shooting', according to the article.

If you saw somebody approaching you while pointing a handgun at you...unabated...you'd try to shield yourself with your arms.   It's a reflex action.

I saw it happen "live" on our 21 inch B&W.    And gazillions of times since....
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Re: Did a hungover Secret Service agent accidentally shoot JFK?
« Reply #59 on: November 08, 2013, 12:31:04 pm »
Quote from: DCPatriot on November 08, 2013, 01:56:52 am
If you saw somebody approaching you while pointing a handgun at you...unabated...you'd try to shield yourself with your arms.   It's a reflex action.

I saw it happen "live" on our 21 inch B&W.    And gazillions of times since....

Was he cuffed or shackled?
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Re: Did a hungover Secret Service agent accidentally shoot JFK?
« Reply #60 on: November 08, 2013, 12:51:22 pm »
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Re: Did a hungover Secret Service agent accidentally shoot JFK?
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Re: Did a hungover Secret Service agent accidentally shoot JFK?
« Reply #62 on: November 08, 2013, 12:58:36 pm »
And, that was the conception of all the subsequent conspiracy theories.  Had Oswald gone to trial, we'd have none of it.
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Re: Did a hungover Secret Service agent accidentally shoot JFK?
« Reply #63 on: November 08, 2013, 01:10:14 pm »
Quote from: Lando Lincoln on November 08, 2013, 12:58:36 pm
And, that was the conception of all the subsequent conspiracy theories.  Had Oswald gone to trial, we'd have none of it.

Oswald was moving his hands quite a bit.  I don't know when the cuffing around back started and he seemed to be moving around pretty well to have been shackled.  That's why I asked based upon the comment about instinctively moving one's hand in protection.  Oswald seems to have been anticipating something, not reacting to something.
Either way, he did it like a girl, top and bottom.  Not like a real man, spreading wide and grinning proudly.
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