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42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« on: October 29, 2013, 08:24:18 PM »
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/october_2013/42_identify_with_obama_politically_42_with_the_tea_party

Voters are evenly divided when asked whether they agree more politically with President Obama or with the average member of the Tea Party. But an enormous partisan gap colors virtually all opinions of the Tea Party.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 42% of Likely U.S. Voters think the president’s views are closest to their own when it comes to the major issues facing the country. But just as many (42%) say their views come closest to those of the average Tea Party member instead. Sixteen percent (16%) are not sure. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

This marks a small setback for the Tea Party from April 2010 when 48% felt closest to the average Tea Party member, while 44% said they had more in common with the president

Thirty-four percent (34%) now believe their personal views are closest to those of the average member of Congress when it comes to the major issues of the day. But slightly more (36%) say their views are closest to those of the average member of the Tea Party. A sizable 30%, however, are not sure.

Opposition by Tea Party Republicans to the president’s national health care law has been blamed for the recent government shutdown, and just 30% of voters now have a favorable opinion of the Tea Party. That’s back to the level seen in January and down from a high of 44% in May after it was disclosed that the Internal Revenue Service was targeting Tea Party and other conservative groups. Fifty percent (50%) regard the small government grass roots movement unfavorably, while 19% are undecided.

But 32% feel the Tea Party has become more influential over the past year, up from 25% in late August before the shutdown began.Twenty-eight percent (28%) say the Tea Party is less influential now. Thirty-three percent (33%) say the group’s influence is about the same. 

One-in-three voters (34%) considers the Tea Party movement good for the county, but 43% describe it as bad for America. Thirteen percent (13%) say neither is the case. These findings have changed little since early January.

The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on October 26-27, 2013 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

Even prior to the shutdown, voters who approve of the president’s job performance were slightly more likely to consider the Tea Party a bigger terrorist threat to the United States than radical Muslims. At the same time, 78% of Republican voters think it’s important for their party leaders to work with the Tea Party, with 45% who consider it Very Important.

But then 57% of GOP voters have a favorable opinion of the Tea Party movement. Seventy-seven percent (77%) of Democrats and a plurality (47%) of voters not affiliated with either major party view the movement unfavorably.

Sixty-three percent (63%) of Republicans think the Tea Party is good for the country, but 72% of Democrats see it as a bad thing. Among unaffiliated voters, 42% say it’s good for the country, 37% say bad.

When it comes to the major issues facing the nation, 77% of Democrats say Obama’s views are closest to their own. Seventy-six percent (76%) of Republicans and 51% of unaffiliated voters identify more closely with the average member of the Tea Party.

Fifty-nine percent (59%) of voters in the president’s party say the views of the average member of Congress are closest to their own. Sixty-seven percent (67%) of Republicans say the views of the average member of the Tea Party are closest to what they think. Unaffiliated voters are more likely to identify with the Tea Party, but 38% of these voters are undecided.

The partisan gap is a lot narrower when it comes to the influence of the Tea Party these days. Republicans and unaffiliated voters tend to think the movement is more influential, while Democrats are more inclined to see it as less influential.

Overwhelming majorities of Mainstream voters identify more with the average Tea Party member than with either the president or the average member of Congress. Pluralities of the Political Class agree more with Obama and Congress.

Interestingly, while voters are more critical of the Tea Party, they continue to identify with the movement’s smaller government/lower taxes message. Sixty-two percent (62%) think cutting spending rather than increasing it is the best thing the federal government can do to help the economy.

Fifty-four percent (54%) want a long-term federal budget that cuts spending, but 64% think Congress is unlikely to reach such a deal in time to avoid another government shutdown in January.

For the third week in a row, Democrats lead Republicans on the Generic Congressional Ballot. But 47% of voters believe neither party represents the American people.



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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2013, 08:28:12 PM »
What's up with the remaining 16%?

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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2013, 08:42:46 PM »
It is not now, nor has it ever been, about conservatives not agreeing with the views of the Tea Party.

Strategy and tactics matter in politics, and the tactics of the Tea Party Senators and GOP House members in the shutdown were dead wrong, and the results proved it.
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2013, 10:06:35 PM »
The more that Americans reflect on the fact that Tea Partiers such as Ted Cruz were RIGHT about Obamacare, the more they will realize that the Tea Party actually reflects what is GOOD for America.

And thanks to Ted Cruz'  "tactics" the Conservative opinion became front and center.
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2013, 10:27:07 PM »
And of those 42% who like Obama, I would bet that 22% don't have a clue about a single position he has.  They just like him because they think he's a "nice guy" or he's "cool and hip."
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2013, 10:34:11 PM »
But what about the 42% who identify with the Tea Party? I thought the Tea Party utterly destroyed itself with the (phony) government "shutdown". But it appears to be tied in popularity with The One. How can this possibly be?  :silly:
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2013, 10:37:38 PM »
The more that Americans reflect on the fact that Tea Partiers such as Ted Cruz were RIGHT about Obamacare, the more they will realize that the Tea Party actually reflects what is GOOD for America.

And thanks to Ted Cruz'  "tactics" the Conservative opinion became front and center.

Actually, that's not true.  The Tea Party was, by every poll, responsible for the shutdown, and the country, overwhelmingly, hated the shutdown.  The Tea Party tactics were a failure; Obamacare was neither defunded or delayed.

Obamacare, by itself, is a failure and is proving to be a failure.  The Tea Party has absolutely nothing to do with the revulsion many are experiencing now.  That revulsion is due to the website screwup, Obama's lies about being able to keep insurance, and the lie about lowering costs. 
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2013, 11:01:48 PM »
Actually, that's not true.  The Tea Party was, by every poll, responsible for the shutdown, and the country, overwhelmingly, hated the shutdown.  The Tea Party tactics were a failure; Obamacare was neither defunded or delayed.

Obamacare, by itself, is a failure and is proving to be a failure.  The Tea Party has absolutely nothing to do with the revulsion many are experiencing now.  That revulsion is due to the website screwup, Obama's lies about being able to keep insurance, and the lie about lowering costs.

And the people who stood up to the thing causing revulsion were Tea Party people.  They are on record as having been prescient enough to warn America before the storm hit, and not sit idly by to "wait" for bad things to happen.

As I said to you multiple times as you were crucifying Cruz, standing up for principles against political foes is ALWAYS the right thing to do.

Waiting for disaster to hit because you don't have the majority in DC cannot be justified.

The longer people reflect, the more they'll understand that they were led astray by the left, and its complicit media, and that those who were labeled as "buffoons," "jihadists" and "crazies" were the ones who had their backs.
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2013, 11:03:39 PM »
But what about the 42% who identify with the Tea Party? I thought the Tea Party utterly destroyed itself with the (phony) government "shutdown". But it appears to be tied in popularity with The One. How can this possibly be?  :silly:

It's a small glimmer of hope in a very dark world.

SOME Americans can still think for themselves, in spite of the bullies who are trying to force their will down our collective throats.
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2013, 11:07:15 PM »
And the people who stood up to the thing causing revulsion were Tea Party people.  They are on record as having been prescient enough to warn America before the storm hit, and not sit idly by to "wait" for bad things to happen.

As I said to you multiple times as you were crucifying Cruz, standing up for principles against political foes is ALWAYS the right thing to do.

Waiting for disaster to hit because you don't have the majority in DC cannot be justified.

The longer people reflect, the more they'll understand that they were led astray by the left, and its complicit media, and that those who were labeled as "buffoons," "jihadists" and "crazies" were the ones who had their backs.

Standing up for principle is good.  Employing tactics that damage your cause is stupid, and that's what Ted Cruz did. 

He'll never admit that, of course, because he's raking in the cash for his run for President.
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2013, 11:11:34 PM »
It's a small glimmer of hope in a very dark world.

Ah, but it's more than that, MusicLady. It means the Grand Naysayer on here, who assured us time and time again (and is still doing so) that the Tea Party had destroyed itself with the "shutdown", had his head firmly planted in his nether regions (and still does).
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2013, 11:20:32 PM »
Standing up for principle is good.  Employing tactics that damage your cause is stupid, and that's what Ted Cruz did. 

He'll never admit that, of course, because he's raking in the cash for his run for President.

Except the "tactics" obviously didn't damage his cause.

Ergo, Cruz is not "stupid."

I think you're going to have to deal with that reality, sinkspur.

Cruz was right, and so were those of us who defended him.

Standing on principles is always a good plan.




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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2013, 11:21:19 PM »
It's a small glimmer of hope in a very dark world.

Ah, but it's more than that, MusicLady. It means the Grand Naysayer on here, who assured us time and time again (and is still doing so) that the Tea Party had destroyed itself with the "shutdown", had his head firmly planted in his nether regions (and still does).

It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong.
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2013, 11:27:53 PM »
Except the "tactics" obviously didn't damage his cause.

Ergo, Cruz is not "stupid."

I think you're going to have to deal with that reality, sinkspur.

Cruz was right, and so were those of us who defended him.

Standing on principles is always a good plan.




Assuming one has them.................

The tactics damaged the Republican Party. That is a fact.

THey didn't damage Cruz because burning down the house is a means to his end of running for President as a Tea Party candidate.  He's a Tea Party darling, but will have major problems being anything other than that.
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2013, 11:38:50 PM »
Which one do YOU more identify with then?

What are the reprecussions to the shutdown? The American voting populace has the attention span of a gnat, but I think it's remarkable that this is split down the middle, given all the "attention" of the MSM.

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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2013, 11:51:45 PM »
Which one do YOU more identify with then?

What are the reprecussions to the shutdown? The American voting populace has the attention span of a gnat, but I think it's remarkable that this is split down the middle, given all the "attention" of the MSM.

I believe in the tenets of the Tea Party. 

But shutting down the government was the wrong thing to do.   We should focus on retaking the Senate, the Presidency and strengthening our position in the House.  Then we can get some things accomplished.
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2013, 11:56:41 PM »
I believe in the tenets of the Tea Party. 

But shutting down the government was the wrong thing to do.   We should focus on retaking the Senate, the Presidency and strengthening our position in the House.  Then we can get some things accomplished.

Tactics vs. strategy
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2013, 09:23:48 AM »
I believe in the tenets of the Tea Party. 

But shutting down the government was the wrong thing to do.   We should focus on retaking the Senate, the Presidency and strengthening our position in the House.  Then we can get some things accomplished.

Harry Reid shut down the government, not the Tea Party.

You may agree or disagree with the shut down, but don't blame the Tea Party for what the weasel Harry Reid did.

The point of the hate-filled rhetoric coming from the left, and a handful who claim to be Republicans, was to destroy the Tea Party.

Fortunately for America, their/your tactics didn't work.........
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2013, 09:35:32 AM »
Which one do YOU more identify with then?

What are the reprecussions to the shutdown? The American voting populace has the attention span of a gnat, but I think it's remarkable that this is split down the middle, given all the "attention" of the MSM.

That was the first thing that came to my mind, too.  The left and their destructive ideas enjoy being propped up by EVERYONE.  The media, big business, Hollywood-popular culture, and our education system.  Yet the Tea Party is still supported by the same percentage as the Obama supporters.  That in itself is amazing.  I realize this is a Likely Voters poll, and not a generic polling of adults, but still-pretty darn good!

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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2013, 03:30:42 PM »
This is an absolute fact: Harry Reid shut down the government, not the Tea Party.

Just another truism which has been buried by the Obama Media.
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2013, 03:36:37 PM »
The more that Americans reflect on the fact that Tea Partiers such as Ted Cruz were RIGHT about Obamacare, the more they will realize that the Tea Party actually reflects what is GOOD for America.

And thanks to Ted Cruz'  "tactics" the Conservative opinion became front and center.

Ted Cruz's approval rating amongst Texas Republicans is an astounding 72% so he's going to be there for as long as he want's to be there and those crying, pissing, and moaning on this site better get used to the fact! 
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2013, 04:05:21 PM »
... those crying, pissing, and moaning on this site better get used to the fact!

Just imagine the purpose that gives to those lives...


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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2013, 05:13:49 PM »
This is an absolute fact: Harry Reid shut down the government, not the Tea Party.

Just another truism which has been buried by the Obama Media.

Yes indeed.

And anyone who is informed knows that.

The question for me is, why was the Obama propaganda used on this thread?
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2013, 05:15:00 PM »
Ted Cruz's approval rating amongst Texas Republicans is an astounding 72% so he's going to be there for as long as he want's to be there and those crying, pissing, and moaning on this site better get used to the fact!

I'm glad to hear Cruz has such a high approval rating among Texas Republicans.

He's doing what every Republican should be doing in every state in the union.

Standing up and fighting FOR the people he represents.
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2013, 06:08:21 PM »
Exactly.  Cruz campaigned on those promises.  He promised to stand and fight, and Texas voted him in to do just that. 

So here Cruz is, getting pilloried by Republicans for not melding in with their ineffectual s**thole of an organization that is the current GOPe.


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