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42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« on: October 29, 2013, 08:24:18 PM »

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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2013, 08:28:12 PM »
What's up with the remaining 16%?

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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2013, 08:42:46 PM »
It is not now, nor has it ever been, about conservatives not agreeing with the views of the Tea Party.

Strategy and tactics matter in politics, and the tactics of the Tea Party Senators and GOP House members in the shutdown were dead wrong, and the results proved it.
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2013, 10:06:35 PM »
The more that Americans reflect on the fact that Tea Partiers such as Ted Cruz were RIGHT about Obamacare, the more they will realize that the Tea Party actually reflects what is GOOD for America.

And thanks to Ted Cruz'  "tactics" the Conservative opinion became front and center.
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2013, 10:27:07 PM »
And of those 42% who like Obama, I would bet that 22% don't have a clue about a single position he has.  They just like him because they think he's a "nice guy" or he's "cool and hip."
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2013, 10:34:11 PM »
But what about the 42% who identify with the Tea Party? I thought the Tea Party utterly destroyed itself with the (phony) government "shutdown". But it appears to be tied in popularity with The One. How can this possibly be?  :silly:
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2013, 10:37:38 PM »
The more that Americans reflect on the fact that Tea Partiers such as Ted Cruz were RIGHT about Obamacare, the more they will realize that the Tea Party actually reflects what is GOOD for America.

And thanks to Ted Cruz'  "tactics" the Conservative opinion became front and center.

Actually, that's not true.  The Tea Party was, by every poll, responsible for the shutdown, and the country, overwhelmingly, hated the shutdown.  The Tea Party tactics were a failure; Obamacare was neither defunded or delayed.

Obamacare, by itself, is a failure and is proving to be a failure.  The Tea Party has absolutely nothing to do with the revulsion many are experiencing now.  That revulsion is due to the website screwup, Obama's lies about being able to keep insurance, and the lie about lowering costs. 
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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2013, 11:01:48 PM »
Actually, that's not true.  The Tea Party was, by every poll, responsible for the shutdown, and the country, overwhelmingly, hated the shutdown.  The Tea Party tactics were a failure; Obamacare was neither defunded or delayed.

Obamacare, by itself, is a failure and is proving to be a failure.  The Tea Party has absolutely nothing to do with the revulsion many are experiencing now.  That revulsion is due to the website screwup, Obama's lies about being able to keep insurance, and the lie about lowering costs.

And the people who stood up to the thing causing revulsion were Tea Party people.  They are on record as having been prescient enough to warn America before the storm hit, and not sit idly by to "wait" for bad things to happen.

As I said to you multiple times as you were crucifying Cruz, standing up for principles against political foes is ALWAYS the right thing to do.

Waiting for disaster to hit because you don't have the majority in DC cannot be justified.

The longer people reflect, the more they'll understand that they were led astray by the left, and its complicit media, and that those who were labeled as "buffoons," "jihadists" and "crazies" were the ones who had their backs.
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2013, 11:03:39 PM »
But what about the 42% who identify with the Tea Party? I thought the Tea Party utterly destroyed itself with the (phony) government "shutdown". But it appears to be tied in popularity with The One. How can this possibly be?  :silly:

It's a small glimmer of hope in a very dark world.

SOME Americans can still think for themselves, in spite of the bullies who are trying to force their will down our collective throats.
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2013, 11:07:15 PM »
And the people who stood up to the thing causing revulsion were Tea Party people.  They are on record as having been prescient enough to warn America before the storm hit, and not sit idly by to "wait" for bad things to happen.

As I said to you multiple times as you were crucifying Cruz, standing up for principles against political foes is ALWAYS the right thing to do.

Waiting for disaster to hit because you don't have the majority in DC cannot be justified.

The longer people reflect, the more they'll understand that they were led astray by the left, and its complicit media, and that those who were labeled as "buffoons," "jihadists" and "crazies" were the ones who had their backs.

Standing up for principle is good.  Employing tactics that damage your cause is stupid, and that's what Ted Cruz did. 

He'll never admit that, of course, because he's raking in the cash for his run for President.
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2013, 11:11:34 PM »
It's a small glimmer of hope in a very dark world.

Ah, but it's more than that, MusicLady. It means the Grand Naysayer on here, who assured us time and time again (and is still doing so) that the Tea Party had destroyed itself with the "shutdown", had his head firmly planted in his nether regions (and still does).
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2013, 11:20:32 PM »
Standing up for principle is good.  Employing tactics that damage your cause is stupid, and that's what Ted Cruz did. 

He'll never admit that, of course, because he's raking in the cash for his run for President.

Except the "tactics" obviously didn't damage his cause.

Ergo, Cruz is not "stupid."

I think you're going to have to deal with that reality, sinkspur.

Cruz was right, and so were those of us who defended him.

Standing on principles is always a good plan.




Assuming one has them.................
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2013, 11:21:19 PM »
It's a small glimmer of hope in a very dark world.

Ah, but it's more than that, MusicLady. It means the Grand Naysayer on here, who assured us time and time again (and is still doing so) that the Tea Party had destroyed itself with the "shutdown", had his head firmly planted in his nether regions (and still does).

It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong.
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2013, 11:27:53 PM »
Except the "tactics" obviously didn't damage his cause.

Ergo, Cruz is not "stupid."

I think you're going to have to deal with that reality, sinkspur.

Cruz was right, and so were those of us who defended him.

Standing on principles is always a good plan.




Assuming one has them.................

The tactics damaged the Republican Party. That is a fact.

THey didn't damage Cruz because burning down the house is a means to his end of running for President as a Tea Party candidate.  He's a Tea Party darling, but will have major problems being anything other than that.
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2013, 11:38:50 PM »
Which one do YOU more identify with then?

What are the reprecussions to the shutdown? The American voting populace has the attention span of a gnat, but I think it's remarkable that this is split down the middle, given all the "attention" of the MSM.

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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2013, 11:51:45 PM »
Which one do YOU more identify with then?

What are the reprecussions to the shutdown? The American voting populace has the attention span of a gnat, but I think it's remarkable that this is split down the middle, given all the "attention" of the MSM.

I believe in the tenets of the Tea Party. 

But shutting down the government was the wrong thing to do.   We should focus on retaking the Senate, the Presidency and strengthening our position in the House.  Then we can get some things accomplished.
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2013, 11:56:41 PM »
I believe in the tenets of the Tea Party. 

But shutting down the government was the wrong thing to do.   We should focus on retaking the Senate, the Presidency and strengthening our position in the House.  Then we can get some things accomplished.

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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2013, 09:23:48 AM »
I believe in the tenets of the Tea Party. 

But shutting down the government was the wrong thing to do.   We should focus on retaking the Senate, the Presidency and strengthening our position in the House.  Then we can get some things accomplished.

Harry Reid shut down the government, not the Tea Party.

You may agree or disagree with the shut down, but don't blame the Tea Party for what the weasel Harry Reid did.

The point of the hate-filled rhetoric coming from the left, and a handful who claim to be Republicans, was to destroy the Tea Party.

Fortunately for America, their/your tactics didn't work.........
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2013, 09:35:32 AM »
Which one do YOU more identify with then?

What are the reprecussions to the shutdown? The American voting populace has the attention span of a gnat, but I think it's remarkable that this is split down the middle, given all the "attention" of the MSM.

That was the first thing that came to my mind, too.  The left and their destructive ideas enjoy being propped up by EVERYONE.  The media, big business, Hollywood-popular culture, and our education system.  Yet the Tea Party is still supported by the same percentage as the Obama supporters.  That in itself is amazing.  I realize this is a Likely Voters poll, and not a generic polling of adults, but still-pretty darn good!

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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2013, 03:30:42 PM »
This is an absolute fact: Harry Reid shut down the government, not the Tea Party.

Just another truism which has been buried by the Obama Media.
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2013, 03:36:37 PM »
The more that Americans reflect on the fact that Tea Partiers such as Ted Cruz were RIGHT about Obamacare, the more they will realize that the Tea Party actually reflects what is GOOD for America.

And thanks to Ted Cruz'  "tactics" the Conservative opinion became front and center.

Ted Cruz's approval rating amongst Texas Republicans is an astounding 72% so he's going to be there for as long as he want's to be there and those crying, pissing, and moaning on this site better get used to the fact! 
« Last Edit: October 30, 2013, 03:39:10 PM by Bigun »

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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2013, 04:05:21 PM »
... those crying, pissing, and moaning on this site better get used to the fact!

Just imagine the purpose that gives to those lives...


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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2013, 05:13:49 PM »
This is an absolute fact: Harry Reid shut down the government, not the Tea Party.

Just another truism which has been buried by the Obama Media.

Yes indeed.

And anyone who is informed knows that.

The question for me is, why was the Obama propaganda used on this thread?
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2013, 05:15:00 PM »
Ted Cruz's approval rating amongst Texas Republicans is an astounding 72% so he's going to be there for as long as he want's to be there and those crying, pissing, and moaning on this site better get used to the fact!

I'm glad to hear Cruz has such a high approval rating among Texas Republicans.

He's doing what every Republican should be doing in every state in the union.

Standing up and fighting FOR the people he represents.
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Re: 42% Identify with Obama Politically, 42% with the Tea Party
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2013, 06:08:21 PM »
Exactly.  Cruz campaigned on those promises.  He promised to stand and fight, and Texas voted him in to do just that. 

So here Cruz is, getting pilloried by Republicans for not melding in with their ineffectual s**thole of an organization that is the current GOPe.


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