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Obama Unaware as U.S. Spied on World Leaders: Officials
« on: October 27, 2013, 08:27:00 PM »
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NSA Stopped Surveillance of Merkel, Others After White House Review


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Re: Obama Unaware as U.S. Spied on World Leaders: Officials
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2013, 08:36:38 PM »
Obama knew of NSA spying on Merkel and approved it, report says

President Barack Obama knew of the organization’s spying on German Chancellor Angela Merkel – and approved of the efforts, a National Security Agency official has reportedly told a German newspaper.




The Economic Times writes the “high-ranking” NSA official spoke to Bild am Sonntag on the condition of anonymity, saying the president, “not only did not stop the operation, but he also ordered it to continue.”

The Economic Times also reports the official told Bild am Sonntag that Obama did not trust Merkel, wanted to know everything about her, and thus ordered the NSA to prepare a dossier on the politician.

The account could mean difficulties for the White House, given another report claiming Obama told Merkel during a telephone conversation last Wednesday he was not aware of the NSA’s spying.

The Economic Times cited Frankfuter Allgemeine Zeitung in writing that when Merkel called Obama last week to alternately complain -- and get an explanation -- about the NSA surveillance, the president assured her he wasn’t aware of the campaign regarding her, and would have halted it, had he known.

According to The New York Times, Susan E. Rice, the president’s national security adviser, insisted that Obama did not know about the monitoring of Merkel’s phone, during a call last week with Christoph Heusgen, Rice’s German counterpart.

The unnamed NSA official's allegations delve deeper into a Saturday report, published by the German magazine Der Spiegel, claiming the U.S. spy agency has monitored Merkel’s phone since 2002, or even before she rose to her country’s chief executive position and was only an opposition leader.

The revelations follow earlier reports of the NSA monitoring phone calls made by French and German citizens, an account prompting both nations’ foreign ministries to summon the respective American ambassadors to each country for an explanation.  Much -- if not all -- of the reporting on the alleged spying scandal stems from documents leaked by former NSA contractor Edward J. Snowden.

According to the Associated Press, Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich was quoted Sunday as telling newspaper Bild am Sonntag he wants "complete information on all accusations" and that "if the Americans intercepted cellphones in Germany, they broke German law on German soil." He added wiretapping is a crime and "those responsible must be held accountable."

The Der Spiegel report also alleges the German leader’s mobile phone number had been part of a special surveillance list used by the NSA as late as this past June.  Der Spiegel writes the nature of the alleged monitoring isn’t clear, or whether Merkel's conversations were recorded or her contacts scrutinized.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/27/obama-knew-nsa-spying-on-merkel-and-approved-it-report-says-944692234/

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Re: Obama Unaware as U.S. Spied on World Leaders: Officials
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2013, 08:41:25 PM »
US denies Obama knew of Merkel spying
The imbroglio over the tapping of Angela Merkel's phone deepened Sunday, after a US denial that President Barack Obama was personally informed for years of electronic surveillance against the German chancellor.

As a sense of betrayal spread in European capitals about spying activities conducted against world leaders and ordinary citizens, German media reports said tapping of Merkel's phone may have begun as early as 2002.

Bild am Sonntag newspaper quoted US intelligence sources as saying that America's National Security Agency chief General Keith Alexander had briefed Obama on the operation against Merkel in 2010.

"Obama did not halt the operation but rather let it continue," the newspaper quoted a high-ranking NSA official as saying.

News weekly Der Spiegel reported that leaked NSA documents showed Merkel's phone had appeared on a list of spying targets for over a decade, and was still under surveillance weeks before Obama visited Berlin in June.

But NSA spokeswoman Vanee' Vines, in Washington, flatly denied the claims.

Alexander "did not discuss with President Obama in 2010 an alleged foreign intelligence operation involving German Chancellor Merkel, nor has he ever discussed alleged operations involving Chancellor Merkel," Vines said.

"News reports claiming otherwise are not true," she added.

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The allegations, derived from documents acquired from US fugitive defense contractor Edward Snowden, have stoked global outrage that American spy agencies were responsible for broad snooping into the communications of several dozen world leaders and likely millions of ordinary people.

A poll for Der Spiegel found that 60 percent of Germans believe the scandal has damaged bilateral ties.

European leaders have since called for a new deal with Washington on intelligence gathering that would maintain an essential alliance while keeping the fight against terrorism on track.

Germany is to send its own spy chiefs to Washington to demand answers.

Swiss President Ueli Maurer warned the revelations risked "undermining confidence between states."

"We don't know if we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg or if other governments are acting in the same ruthless manner," he told the Schweiz am Sonntag weekly.

With anger simmering in Berlin, Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich sharpened his tone.

"Surveillance is a crime and those responsible must be brought to justice," he told Bild, while Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle decried the "highly damaging" spying among friends.

Merkel confronted Obama with the snooping allegations in a phone call Wednesday saying that such spying would be a "breach of trust."

The Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung said Obama had told Merkel during their call that he had been unaware of any spying against her, while Spiegel said he assured her that he would have stopped the operation at once.

Merkel's office declined to comment on what Obama told her.

The White House has said it is not monitoring Merkel's phone calls and will not do so in future, but it has refused to say whether it did previously.

Two phones monitored

Bild said Obama wanted to be informed in detail about Merkel, who has played a decisive role in the eurozone debt crisis and is widely seen as Europe's most powerful leader.

As a result, the NSA stepped up its surveillance of her communications, targeting not only the mobile phone she uses to conduct business for her conservative Christian Democratic Union party but also her encrypted official device.

Merkel only acquired the latter handset over the summer.

Bild said US specialists were then able to monitor the content of her conversations as well as text messages, which Merkel sends by the dozen each day to key associates.

Only the specially secured land line in her office was out of the reach of the NSA, which sent the intelligence gathered straight to the White House bypassing the agency's headquarters, according to the report.

Bild and Spiegel described a hive of spy activity on the fourth floor of the US embassy in central Berlin, a stone's throw from the government quarter, from which the United States kept tabs on Merkel and other German officials.

Spiegel cited a classified 2010 document indicating that US intelligence had 80 high-tech surveillance offices worldwide in cities including Paris, Madrid, Rome, Prague, Geneva and Frankfurt.

If the spying against Merkel began in 2002, it would mean the United States under then president George W. Bush targeted her while she was still the country's chief opposition leader, three years before she became chancellor.

Bild said Merkel's predecessor Gerhard Schroeder was also in the NSA's sights because of his vocal opposition to the US invasion of Iraq and close relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The Social Democrats' chief whip Thomas Oppermann told Bild that German MPs would now like to question Snowden in a new parliamentary probe of the affair.

"Snowden's accounts seem credible while the US government apparently lied to us about this matter," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-aware-merkel-spying-since-2010-german-report-092009842.html

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Re: Obama Unaware as U.S. Spied on World Leaders: Officials
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2013, 08:48:03 PM »
Obama has to be the most 'unaware' president in history, and here is measurable proof.

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Considering Bush and Clinton are more popular names with two major political figures each, this says a LOT.
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Re: Obama Unaware as U.S. Spied on World Leaders: Officials
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2013, 07:58:31 AM »
Let's just say the true president was informed, probably daily, on spying activities. She just didn't see any need to worry Obama's pretty little head with the information.

Remember, this is the guy whose day starts at 10:45 a.m. and rarely consists of any presidential duties which would only bore him.
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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2013, 11:09:26 AM »
Am so sick and tired....of the MSM covering for this POS.   :shrug:
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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2013, 11:52:53 AM »

Somebody is playing Bambi like a fiddle.

Snowden/Greenwald are fish too small for that task.

Better get that attack going on Iran Bambi, before your whole presidency implodes...



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Re: Obama Unaware as U.S. Spied on World Leaders: Officials
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2013, 12:17:22 PM »
Liberalism isn't really about making the world a better place. It's about reassuring the elites that they are good people for wanting to rule over it.

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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2013, 12:20:33 PM »
Obozo apparently has the awareness of algae. And an IQ to match.
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Re: Obama Unaware as U.S. Spied on World Leaders: Officials
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2013, 01:09:34 PM »
What is worse? Him knowing or him not knowing all this time?   :smokin:


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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2013, 02:41:01 PM »
If Obama didn't know anything about the spying, He had better take a close look at his "mommie" and what she's doing with her time.
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2013, 03:09:08 PM »
As Rush said, he didn't know about the spying on Merkel, et al., but he knows all about Trayvon, the Washington Redskins ...
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Re: Obama Unaware as U.S. Spied on World Leaders: Officials
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2013, 03:50:27 PM »
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