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Offline Rapunzel

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« on: October 27, 2013, 12:59:17 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2013, 02:16:57 AM »
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Be afraid, ladies and gentlemen. Be very afraid.

Why?

What is actually wrong with a single payer system?

Yes, I got me own thoughts here, living with one, but I want to cross check.
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2013, 02:24:03 AM »
I hope you are just pulling out leg with that question. 

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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2013, 03:06:24 AM »
I hope you are just pulling out leg with that question.

Not quite a leg pull. I know the faults of the system we have. The various European systems which I know of first hand are similar and substantially less robust than ours is (hard to believe, but true.).

I am curious if there is any specific trait to the USA that would make single payer work even more badly than it does here - or conversely if there is something that may possibly make it work better.
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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2013, 02:47:16 PM »
Not quite a leg pull. I know the faults of the system we have. The various European systems which I know of first hand are similar and substantially less robust than ours is (hard to believe, but true.).

I am curious if there is any specific trait to the USA that would make single payer work even more badly than it does here - or conversely if there is something that may possibly make it work better.


Single anything is never good...unless poor service and higher prices are good in your book.  Competition in anything always benefits the end users..  for any good or service.  I fear if you have to ask the question it really shows how great the divide between American way of life and the European.. which the Soros controlled Obama wants to turn us into.  No thanks.

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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2013, 03:17:35 PM »
But, but, but .....

No - you pretty much nailed the problems with single payer.

I would add that single payer depends on payers. Economically speaking, we are in a better place than you in the USA (temporarily and no thanks to the idiots in power), so the pain is not quite as severe, but it is both noticeable and annoying.

In THEORY it is a decent idea. Like Walmart and supermarkets use their overall massive buying clout to get the lowest prices from suppliers. Except we are not talking carrots and milk here - we are talking people. Sure, bulk buying medicines and equipment can be cheaper if done correctly. Look at the government and tell me they can actually do that. Anyone want to buy a toilet seat? Only $4500 each.

Bulk buying of people - wasn't there a war about that or something?

I know I am being slightly bitter here. Single payer does work - badly, but it does work. The system you guys have had for years works well - you take a gamble on your health, but coverage is there. Need something - pay for it. The insurance companies are betting you won't get badly ill. Tort reform would bring the prices down significantly and make things far more affordable than the abomination you have been stuck with now. Somehow, Obamacare took the worst of both systems and mashed them together. You have all the inefficiencies of the single payer, government mandated system with an extra layer of costs by including insurance companies - who want to get paid handsomely.

I know - preaching to the choir here.
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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2013, 04:01:13 PM »
But, but, but .....

No - you pretty much nailed the problems with single payer.

I would add that single payer depends on payers. Economically speaking, we are in a better place than you in the USA (temporarily and no thanks to the idiots in power), so the pain is not quite as severe, but it is both noticeable and annoying.

In THEORY it is a decent idea. Like Walmart and supermarkets use their overall massive buying clout to get the lowest prices from suppliers. Except we are not talking carrots and milk here - we are talking people. Sure, bulk buying medicines and equipment can be cheaper if done correctly. Look at the government and tell me they can actually do that. Anyone want to buy a toilet seat? Only $4500 each.

Bulk buying of people - wasn't there a war about that or something?

I know I am being slightly bitter here. Single payer does work - badly, but it does work. The system you guys have had for years works well - you take a gamble on your health, but coverage is there. Need something - pay for it. The insurance companies are betting you won't get badly ill. Tort reform would bring the prices down significantly and make things far more affordable than the abomination you have been stuck with now. Somehow, Obamacare took the worst of both systems and mashed them together. You have all the inefficiencies of the single payer, government mandated system with an extra layer of costs by including insurance companies - who want to get paid handsomely.

I know - preaching to the choir here.

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