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Schools banning lunches from home to push socialist agenda
« on: October 22, 2013, 01:42:50 PM »
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Re: Schools banning lunches from home to push socialist agenda
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2013, 02:01:36 PM »
This is another situation where parents should all ban together and fight this policy in their schools.  What's scary is that most parents will comply and lose yet another freedom of choice.
Where is the outrage? 
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Re: Schools banning lunches from home to push socialist agenda
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2013, 02:15:13 PM »
I am fence sitting on this one. Not a comfortable place to be.

I taught in an inner city school. Over half our kids got free school lunches and breakfast in the winter (no, that policy never made sense, but it was policy). Others could buy or brown bag it. For a lot of the free school lunch kids, it was the only hot food they had during the week, and they would polish the plate. Not wildly healthy - heavy on the fried stuff and not many fresh veg - but there was some. Usual meal was a main (lasagne, liver and bacon, shepherds pie were the three biggest favorites) veggies from frozen, an apple or orange and a small pudding. The rule, heavily enforced by both the dinner ladies and staff on duty was that if it was on your tray it went down your throat. Sounds a bit draconian, put like that, but it worked. One very confused lad kept trying to eat his cutlery. I wish I was making that up - charming kid, but really not ready for secondary school!

We jumped 75 places in the annual school rankings in the first year of that policy, and the free lunch kids consistently outperformed the brown baggers, who would bring in a sad sandwich on plastic bread and a packet of potato chips.

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Re: Schools banning lunches from home to push socialist agenda
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2013, 02:28:59 PM »
I don't have any test results such as better academic performance but you're missing the entire point.
It's my decision, not the school administrators, as to whether my child eats the school lunch or bags from home.
We have a weekly lunch menu posted and at times the school serves something my daughter doesn't like, just as we all have our likes and dislikes.  I would hate to be forced to eat something I didn't like and my daughter deserves the same respect.
It's not up to the school administrators to tell me what I can't or can do with my child.
Forcing kids to eat something they don't like is a form of child abuse in my book!   

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Re: Schools banning lunches from home to push socialist agenda
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2013, 02:30:37 PM »
I don't have any test results such as better academic performance but you're missing the entire point.
It's my decision, not the school administrators, as to whether my child eats the school lunch or bags from home.

Exactly!  I am so freaking tired of schools thinking they can dictate to parents what to feed their kids.

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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2013, 02:43:46 PM »
I don't have any test results such as better academic performance but you're missing the entire point.
It's my decision, not the school administrators, as to whether my child eats the school lunch or bags from home.
We have a weekly lunch menu posted and at times the school serves something my daughter doesn't like, just as we all have our likes and dislikes.  I would hate to be forced to eat something I didn't like and my daughter deserves the same respect.
It's not up to the school administrators to tell me what I can't or can do with my child.
Forcing kids to eat something they don't like is a form of child abuse in my book!

It's why we always had a choice of three mains. Not just the one. So there was something for everyone.

Now - your daughter is well looked after. That is a statement of fact, not a guess - I know you well enough by now to know that can be taken to the bank. If there is something coming up that she doesn't like, fine. Brown bag it. If there is something coming up on the menu that she loves, you wouldn't force her to brown bag it. You have the option. You love your daughter and will make the effort to see she is fed healthy, well, and stuff she enjoys (within reason - kids like McDonalds .....)

The kids I am thinking about - well, think of the Wire. Those sort of neighborhoods. The thought of anyone giving crap one about them was like a foreign language to them. All the teaching staff also ate in the cafeteria. Grab your food, grab a seat and talk to the kids while they ate. It was different in the 90s. We took our obligations a little more seriously than they are now.

That is why I am on the fence.
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2013, 02:48:33 PM »
I think part of this has to do with children having food allergies.   What one parent sends a child to school with can be very healthy for their child but deadly to a child with food allergies.  When I was in high school, my neighbor who was a year older got special permission to eat her lunch in the faculty lounge.   She was allergic to damn near everything.

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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2013, 02:48:56 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2013, 02:54:36 PM »
Dang, Navy - that is barely even a snack! Especially for a boy who is probably burning 20,000 calories a day just at recess!

Seriously - nachos for lunch?
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2013, 02:57:15 PM »
That menu is as bad as what I saw in our local paper recently - they are pushing vegetarian flat bread rollups........ YUCK!!!

You drop on over some time. Might change your mind on those :)

Wife has been vegetarian for years. It isn't for kids - they need the protein - but they can be tasty  :laugh:
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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2013, 02:57:16 PM »
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Re: Schools banning lunches from home to push socialist agenda
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2013, 03:02:14 PM »
Contrast that menu with my favorites from our 1960s-70s cafeteria menu.

Meatloaf & potatoes
Sloppy Joes
Chili  - always served with a big Cinnamon Roll
Turkey & Gravy over potatoes
Beef & Gravy over potaoes
Spaghetti
Wrapped Dogs and fries
Chili-Mac

And all of these came with a veggie, fruit or desert and 2% milk.

And with that every day my Mom still could not fatten me up. I can't imagine how my son can ever get out of the bottom 5% in weight class for his age.   Skinny as a rail he is.
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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2013, 03:02:37 PM »
You drop on over some time. Might change your mind on those :)

Wife has been vegetarian for years. It isn't for kids - they need the protein - but they can be tasty  :laugh:

Sorry... I grew up on a farm and I'm a died in the wool meat eater.  If I am feeling crappy a good steak perks me right up.

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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2013, 03:06:55 PM »
Sorry... I grew up on a farm and I'm a died in the wool meat eater.  If I am feeling crappy a good steak perks me right up.

Do you a deal. My best steak - cooked exactly how you like it - with veg wraps on the side :)
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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2013, 03:10:10 PM »
Contrast that menu with my favorites from our 1960s-70s cafeteria menu.

Meatloaf & potatoes
Sloppy Joes
Chili  - always served with a big Cinnamon Roll
Turkey & Gravy over potatoes
Beef & Gravy over potaoes
Spaghetti
Wrapped Dogs and fries
Chili-Mac

And all of these came with a veggie, fruit or desert and 2% milk.

And with that every day my Mom still could not fatten me up. I can't imagine how my son can ever get out of the bottom 5% in weight class for his age.   Skinny as a rail he is.

Yep. That is the sort of menu we used to have. The rule was avoid the meatloaf - they never said what meat. We always assumed it was missing students.

It is different now. The dinner ladies were not defrosting and serving stuff from some central location - they cooked. Got annoyed if you didn't clean your plate either and were not shy of making the point even to teachers!
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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2013, 03:22:26 PM »
Do you a deal. My best steak - cooked exactly how you like it - with veg wraps on the side :)

No deal...  I'll have it with a salad, though.

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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2013, 03:25:53 PM »
No deal...  I'll have it with a salad, though.

You drive a hard bargain. Deal breaker if you want ketchup though - this is a mustard or horseradish household.

Seriously, though, you are welcome at our table any time.
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Re: Schools banning lunches from home to push socialist agenda
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2013, 03:26:59 PM »
You drive a hard bargain. Deal breaker if you want ketchup though - this is a mustard or horseradish household.

Seriously, though, you are welcome at our table any time.

Ketchup?  on STEAK??? wash your mouth out with soap... I don't even use steak sauce.

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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2013, 03:32:29 PM »
Ketchup?  on STEAK??? wash your mouth out with soap... I don't even use steak sauce.

I KNEW IT! One day, I was told I would find an American with taste!!!!!

We do different sauces. Bechemel with tarragon or cream pepper sauce mainly, if we want to be fancy. Sometimes the cheese sauce from the scalloped potatoes mixes in.
Most of the time as it comes off the griddle pan - bit of salt, bit of pepper and a splash of red wine or brandy during the cooking. Maybe a touch of butter (thank you Ina!) if it is a tougher cut.
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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2013, 03:33:33 PM »
I KNEW IT! One day, I was told I would find an American with taste!!!!!

We do different sauces. Bechemel with tarragon or cream pepper sauce mainly, if we want to be fancy. Sometimes the cheese sauce from the scalloped potatoes mixes in.
Most of the time as it comes off the griddle pan - bit of salt, bit of pepper and a splash of red wine or brandy during the cooking. Maybe a touch of butter (thank you Ina!) if it is a tougher cut.

Filet Mignon on the BBQ 5 min each side.

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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2013, 03:35:27 PM »
Filet Mignon on the BBQ 5 min each side.

2 inch cut? Yes. 1 inch cut, half the time. OK - we got to cook :)
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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2013, 03:36:00 PM »
2 inch cut? Yes. 1 inch cut, half the time. OK - we got to cook :)

I like it rare

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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2013, 03:37:19 PM »
I like it rare

Is there any other way? You got to respect the cow.
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Re: Schools banning lunches from home to push socialist agenda
« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2013, 03:55:43 PM »
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Exactly!  Nothing wrong with a PB&J sandwich, cup of fruit and a handful of wheat thins.  Better for my daughter to eat it than waste money on food that goes in the trash.
Exactly, but I don't think it's about children eating a nutritious meal in the first place. It's simply about control. If you children don't eat Moochelle's approved arugula and jicama lunch, then you'll just have to starve, you ungrateful little  wretches!
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