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Liz Cheney: John McCain a 'liberal Republican'
« on: October 22, 2013, 01:37:51 PM »

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Re: Liz Cheney: John McCain a 'liberal Republican'
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2013, 03:37:11 PM »
He is a progressive.  His hero is Teddy Roosevelt - also a progressive.

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Re: Liz Cheney: John McCain a 'liberal Republican'
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2013, 03:47:13 PM »
He is a progressive.  His hero is Teddy Roosevelt - also a progressive.
I ask you... what is your definition of progressive and liberal?


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Re: Liz Cheney: John McCain a 'liberal Republican'
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2013, 03:54:17 PM »
I ask you... what is your definition of progressive and liberal?


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The best description is this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/whats-the-difference-betw_b_9140.html

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 traditional "liberals" in our current parlance are those who focus on using taxpayer money to help better society. A "progressive" are those who focus on using government power to make large institutions play by a set of rules.

To put it in more concrete terms - a liberal solution to some of our current problems with high energy costs would be to increase funding for programs like the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP). A more "progressive" solution would be to increase LIHEAP but also crack down on price gouging and pass laws better-regulating the oil industry's profiteering and market manipulation tactics. A liberal policy towards prescription drugs is one that would throw a lot of taxpayer cash at the pharmaceutical industry to get them to provide medicine to the poor; A progressive prescription drug policy would be one that centered around price regulations and bulk purchasing in order to force down the actual cost of medicine in America (much of which was originally developed with taxpayer R&D money).

Let's be clear - most progressives are also liberals, and liberal goals in better funding America's social safety net are noble and critical. It's the other direction that's the problem. Many of today's liberals are not fully comfortable with progressivism as defined in these terms. Many of today's Democratic politicians, for instance, are simply not comfortable taking a more confrontational posture towards large economic institutions (many of whom fund their campaigns) - institutions that regularly take a confrontational posture towards America's middle-class.

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Re: Liz Cheney: John McCain a 'liberal Republican'
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2013, 03:57:39 PM »
The best description is this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/whats-the-difference-betw_b_9140.html

snip...

 traditional "liberals" in our current parlance are those who focus on using taxpayer money to help better society. A "progressive" are those who focus on using government power to make large institutions play by a set of rules.

To put it in more concrete terms - a liberal solution to some of our current problems with high energy costs would be to increase funding for programs like the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP). A more "progressive" solution would be to increase LIHEAP but also crack down on price gouging and pass laws better-regulating the oil industry's profiteering and market manipulation tactics. A liberal policy towards prescription drugs is one that would throw a lot of taxpayer cash at the pharmaceutical industry to get them to provide medicine to the poor; A progressive prescription drug policy would be one that centered around price regulations and bulk purchasing in order to force down the actual cost of medicine in America (much of which was originally developed with taxpayer R&D money).

Let's be clear - most progressives are also liberals, and liberal goals in better funding America's social safety net are noble and critical. It's the other direction that's the problem. Many of today's liberals are not fully comfortable with progressivism as defined in these terms. Many of today's Democratic politicians, for instance, are simply not comfortable taking a more confrontational posture towards large economic institutions (many of whom fund their campaigns) - institutions that regularly take a confrontational posture towards America's middle-class.

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Re: Liz Cheney: John McCain a 'liberal Republican'
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2013, 04:08:24 PM »
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.


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