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I have another video I'd like your input on.
« on: October 18, 2013, 01:00:23 PM »
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Do you disagree with the message the creator of this video is giving? Is he wrong? What are your opinions on the points he makes in his video?
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2013, 01:29:14 PM »
Is this for one of your classes?...I would like to know up front...

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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2013, 01:35:39 PM »
Is this for one of your classes?...I would like to know up front...

No, it's not.

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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2013, 01:40:02 PM »
Is this for one of your classes?...I would like to know up front...

What difference, at this point, does it make?

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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2013, 01:42:37 PM »
What difference, at this point, does it make?

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Re: I have another video I'd like your input on.
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2013, 02:09:35 PM »
This is not new. Karl Marx went further, and indicated what should be done.

He started with gentle measures, but later gets to armed revolution.

Liberal, is that where you would take it? What do you think?

BTW exactly how many college level econ classes have you completed, what was your grade?

I had an interesting discussion with a California secondary teacher, a few years ago. She held a full credential, meaning an education equal to a Master Degree.

She held strong opinions about politics, distribution of income, etc. She had reached that point o holding such opinions, and being able to direct the thinking of other peoples' children,

...but she had not completed even one economics course!!!

NOW I will go further. If we took the people at the very bottom, gave each one $100,000 for doing nothing at all. In a surprisingly short time, they would squander all the money.

In reality that $100,000 would have to come from somewhere. From another person, since trees and cats and governments don't have any money of their own.

Now the original owner of the $100,000 invested the money wisely, to earn income. To earn income, he had a business, which provided jobs and income to others.

The government didn't build that business. He did.

Our system is a mixed economy. Pretty much similar to Canada and Sweden, except our fraction of government involvement is somewhat smaller than theirs.

So how much of the business owners' money should be taken from them, to grant more money to unproductive people at the bottom?

Obamacare is a good illustration of how government harms, not helps people. Many people work 29 hours or less, to avoid the governments messing around with businesses and our economy.

I dream of a world like it was when I completed college, when I got 40 hours work, my employer could drill in California for more oil, health care was reasonably priced, etc.

But alas, now California politics is a monopoly by democrats, and my first two employers, although still successful, have left California, the place of their founding, to escape the insanity of redistribution policies.

So in the end, redistribution provides jobs for middlemen government meddlers, but the true producers go elsewhere.

And the level of production, the true source of wealth, goes down not up.
 
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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2013, 02:34:39 PM »
What you, and most liberals, fail to recognize is that the wealth disparity problem in this and other countries corresponds directly with the evolution of our system from one that was primarily a free market system to one that is primarily socialistic.  Why does this happen, if the goal of socialism is to redistribute wealth?  The answer to the question is long and complex, but you can start by reading  Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman.  Virtually everything they predicted about the acceptance of socialism by society has come to pass.  The rich getting richer is an entirely predictable consequence of bigger government.

If you actually want to redistribute wealth, then deregulate business, lower taxes on both businesses and individuals, reduce government spending on entitlements and allow companies to compete with each other rather than creating politically-protected monopolies.  What socialism does is protect the people who are already wealthy by preventing new people from GETTING wealthy.  That is why what has happened in the past several decades has come to pass.  The liberals like to blame capitalism, but we haven't had anything resembling capitalism in the USA since the early 1970's when we went off the gold standard and let the banks run the economy.  From that point forward, it's been an inexorable slide to more and more government and more and more wealth disparity.

Here is one little snippet from Milton Friedman on the subject:

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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2013, 02:38:33 PM »
Yet MORE commie propaganda - so greedy leftists "ideally" want yet MORE money, whoever knew?

The OP is ALWAYS here and I have no idea why he is so tolerated at a supposedly GOP site. I know his ideology and I reject it totally. Sheesh, see ya.

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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2013, 02:46:17 PM »
Yet MORE commie propaganda - so greedy leftists "ideally" want yet MORE money, whoever knew?

The OP is ALWAYS here and I have no idea why he is so tolerated at a supposedly GOP site. I know his ideology and I reject it totally. Sheesh, see ya.

If it's nothing but commie propaganda I have given you all a great opportunity to dissect it and show everybody here why it is nothing but what you say it is. Some of the posters here have given detailed reasons for why they disagree with the message of the video, and that is exactly what I was hoping for. Running from and ignoring different points of view doesn't help accomplish anything.

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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2013, 02:50:31 PM »
Friedman makes the case better than anyone I've ever heard.

And while Friedman was responding you could see Donahue's pained expression--because inside his head was echoing "La La La La La La La". I think if he could have Donahue would have stuck his fingers in his ears.
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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2013, 02:53:27 PM »
If it's nothing but commie propaganda I have given you all a great opportunity to dissect it and show everybody here why it is nothing but what you say it is. Some of the posters here have given detailed reasons for why they disagree with the message of the video, and that is exactly what I was hoping for. Running from and ignoring different points of view doesn't help accomplish anything.

I assume you are referring to me as someone who has given you detailed answers.  It's only because I am a college professor and I assume you are malleable.  Most people around here assume you are a troll with an agenda.

I could be wrong and they could be right, in which case I would be the one who has been played for a fool.
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2013, 02:54:52 PM »
What you, and most liberals, fail to recognize is that the wealth disparity problem in this and other countries corresponds directly with the evolution of our system from one that was primarily a free market system to one that is primarily socialistic.

That's why we have an income tax and not a wealth tax.

Even the simplest simpleton should be able to understand that...


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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2013, 02:57:37 PM »
Liberal, is that where you would take it? What do you think?

BTW exactly how many college level econ classes have you completed, what was your grade?


One of the most interesting things to me about the video, and one of the things I wanted to get you guys to comment on, is the fact that during the Reagan administration (the president that many of you believe is the greatest to have ever taken office) income inequality wasn't even close to what it is now, and that, according to many of you, was the golden age of United States politics. I personally don't think people should have to work two and sometimes even three FULL time jobs just to barely make ends meet, and that a strong and functioning middle class is paramount to a strong and functioning economy.

I admittedly have only taken more basic econ classes because my degree does not focus on economics. My GPA is 4.0. (Not trying to brag here; he asked)
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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2013, 02:59:26 PM »
I am interested in the answer to Truth Seekers question. How many economics classes have you completed?

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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2013, 02:59:57 PM »
The video itself is well done, though it suffers from the inevitable bad voice acting.

The premise though - define fair. That is the sticking point here.
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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2013, 03:00:31 PM »
The liberals like to blame capitalism, but we haven't had anything resembling capitalism in the USA since the early 1970's when we went off the gold standard and let the banks run the economy.  From that point forward, it's been an inexorable slide to more and more government and more and more wealth disparity.



So are you on board with breaking up the banks? If you are, you're speaking my language, because that to me is one of the single most important things we need to do.

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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2013, 03:01:40 PM »
The only thing the video is missing is the narrator wearing a Guy Fawkes mask.   
 
And the redistribution arguments made are right off any Communist or Socialist candidates statement in a voters guild, or on brochures they hand out to the unwashed at OWS. 
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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2013, 03:07:48 PM »
The only thing the video is missing is the narrator wearing a Guy Fawkes mask.   
 
And the redistribution arguments made are right off any Communist or Socialist candidates statement in a voters guild, or on brochures they hand out to the unwashed at OWS.

Our young "friend" supports OWS.

I am waiting for an answer on how many economics classes he has taken and passed.

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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2013, 03:08:43 PM »
Our young "friend" supports OWS.

I am waiting for an answer on how many economics classes he has taken and passed.

I already responded to that post.

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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2013, 03:12:28 PM »
The part of this thread which most fascinates me has nothing to do with Liberal_Spy but rather with the Friedman/Donahue exchange.

Is anyone else amused by Donahue's seeming concern about "greed" and "wealth distribution" when you just know he and the lovely Marlo have far more wealth than probably anyone on here, and certainly far above whatever is the average income of the day. I don't think the guy is a hypocrite. I truly believe he hasn't got a clue. If he really cared he would "sell [his] possessions and give to the poor" but I doubt the thought ever enters his mind.
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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2013, 03:13:02 PM »
I already responded to that post.

Thank you, I went back and looked.  You would do yourself a favor if you took more than a "basic" econ class even though your degree does not require it, your future does.

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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2013, 03:15:02 PM »
FWIW, Massadvj, I agree with you: It's only because I am a college professor and I assume you are malleable.  Most people around here assume you are a troll with an agenda.
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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2013, 03:18:24 PM »
My post got dropped/deleted.  Interesting.

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« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2013, 03:19:12 PM »
If most people truly believe that I am only a troll sent here to disrupt and do damage, I will leave. I stated from the beginning that I'm not interested in causing problems. I've been polite, and have even tried to deescalate arguments between other posters on this forum. I'm not kidding when I say I have no problem leaving. I like talking to people here, but I'm not going to stay if I'm unwelcome.


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