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Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« on: October 16, 2013, 06:12:07 AM »
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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2013, 09:01:40 AM »
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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2013, 09:06:33 AM »
What I worry about is that by the time people come to realize all this stuff, will it be too late to get rid of this monstrosity, even if more conservatives are voted in? 

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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2013, 09:09:08 AM »
Probably, L.   :thud:
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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2013, 04:14:43 PM »
What I worry about is that by the time people come to realize all this stuff, will it be too late to get rid of this monstrosity, even if more conservatives are voted in?

Which is why Ted Cruz was a hero for throwing himself on his sword to try everything possible to stop it.

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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2013, 04:20:56 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/30/politics/obamacare-white-house-pressure/index.html?sr=sharebar_twitter

Cavuto just had two retired gentlemen on his show who had Blue Cross Blue Shield plans cancelled... said these were not bad plans they had and the plans suited them fine and were affordable... their new premiums to keep the "new" government-approved plan was over $1000 a month. One guy said he thought it was a joke and had to be for a year not per month... but per month.  Said his wife is no longer child bearing age - but the plan demands they take maternity, birth control, etc as part of the plan.. the other man said the same thing.

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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2013, 04:28:08 PM »
Cavuto just had two retired gentlemen on his show who had Blue Cross Blue Shield plans cancelled... said these were not bad plans they had and the plans suited them fine and were affordable... their new premiums to keep the "new" government-approved plan was over $1000 a month. One guy said he thought it was a joke and had to be for a year not per month... but per month.  Said his wife is no longer child bearing age - but the plan demands they take maternity, birth control, etc as part of the plan.. the other man said the same thing.

Government knows best! Meir citizens are no longer capable of figuring out which insurance coverages they need or do not need! One size fits all and DAMN the consequences!

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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2013, 04:36:21 PM »
Same here, what I pay for year they want me to pay for each month.


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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2013, 04:44:02 PM »
Government knows best!(1)Meir citizens are no longer capable of figuring out which insurance coverages they need or do not need! (2)One size fits all and DAMN the consequences!

(1)  This absolutely smacks of Cloward/Piven.  (2)  Choices would mean freedom, something democrats are not keen on - at least for others.
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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2013, 04:46:17 PM »
(1)  This absolutely smacks of Cloward/Piven.  (2)  Choices would mean freedom, something democrats are not keen on - at least for others.

It reeks of communism to me.  It says we are not smart enough to choose the type of policy we want so the government is going to do it for us.

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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2013, 04:51:46 PM »
It reeks of communism to me.  It says we are not smart enough to choose the type of policy we want so the government is going to do it for us.

Cloward/Piven is about the destruction of free enterprise and rise of communism. :bash:
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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2013, 08:26:02 PM »
It reeks of communism to me.  It says we are not smart enough to choose the type of policy we want so the government is going to do it for us.

Hush and eat your peas. Your superiors have spoken.

I am watching this with a mix of amusement (say 5%) and horror (the other 95%).

WHERE THE bleep IS THE AMERICA I KNOW AND ADMIRE?!

Sorry, yes, Americans can be loud, insular and annoying on buses. They are also tough as hell, know what they want, and pay the price - without question. Did someone dose the entire water supply with Xanax when I weren't looking here?

I can't think of an alternative explanation.
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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2013, 08:31:45 PM »
It reeks of communism to me.  It says we are not smart enough to choose the type of policy we want so the government is going to do it for us.

Actually you are both right! Cloward/Piven is just a plan to move us down the road to what they actually want (full blown socialism) and is being executed to perfection!

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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2013, 11:19:57 PM »
[[ Obamacare is a disaster and the American people know it. Republicans have never had a more teachable moment than the one they have now, between the shutdown of the government and the disastrous rollout of Obamacare. ]]

There is at least one precedent where a nationwide policy put into place became so hated and unworkable that it had to be repealed in its entirety. And the repeal came years after the enactment.

That was Prohibition. The Twenty-first Amendment ended it (after having been established by the Eighteenth Amendment).

Of course, for both those amendments, the Congress passed them and then sent them to the states for ratification.

Congress passed The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. But since neither Congress nor the Courts are willing to correct this disastrous mistake could not it, too, be "repealed" through a Constitional amendment, as was Prohibition?

This time, it won't be the Congress that passes the amendment -- it will be 36 states, acting in concert with one another.

Suppose 36 state legislatures passed the following proposed amendment:
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The law known as "The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" is hereby repealed in its entirety.

All regulations passed pursuant to enactment of the aforestated law are hereby withdrawn and excised.

All persons hired pursuant to enforcement of the aforestated law are hereby discharged of their duties.

The provisions of this amendment will become effective 120 days after ratification by the several states has been completed.
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... and then again "passed" it at a national Constitutional convention (to comply with Constitutional requirements that there _be_ some kind of "national convention").

... and then ratified it in 36 state legislatures (possibly more).

What then?

Can a Constitutional amendment be used to repeal an existing law enacted by the Congress? If not, why not?

It just so happens that 36 state governments were sufficiently opposed to ObamaCare enough to refuse to establish "state-level" exchanges.

I'm wondering how many of these states would like to take things a step further.

There has been much talk of late about how the people will ever "take back" power from the DC government.

If enough states band together, they could STOP ObamaCare once and for all this way.

It's worth a try.
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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2013, 11:23:20 PM »
Something interesting I heard today........  in countries with socialized medicine their equivalent of the Medicare Tax is approx 37% and they they have income taxes on top of it....

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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2013, 08:07:38 AM »
Something interesting I heard today........  in countries with socialized medicine their equivalent of the Medicare Tax is approx 37% and they they have income taxes on top of it....

It seems quite obvious the commiecrats have studied the European systems of healthcare and have built one that is superior to all others in it's destructiveness and cost. :3:
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