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Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« on: October 16, 2013, 06:12:07 AM »
BEYOND 'GLITCHES': Obamacare Nightmare Just Beginning


by Ben Sasse  15 Oct 2013 2048  post a comment 



"Train wreck." "Fundamentally flawed." “Not ready for primetime.” This is the rollout of Obamacare.

Constant “glitches” keep people from logging into the exchanges. Humiliating live video of reporters normally favorable to Obamacare simply giving up in frustration because they cannot sign up. Consumers who are lucky enough to get through the system are stunned to learn that their premiums have skyrocketed by thousands of dollars. One Pennsylvania mother says that she can either pay her increased premiums or pay for her kids to eat, but she can’t do both.

Extremely personal information has already leaked from the system in Minnesota. Software security experts from McAfee predict millions of identity theft victims. And one of the healthcare exchanges was forced to acknowledge that information collected from patients will be shared with law enforcement.

Tom Bevan at RealClearPolitics wondered why Kathleen Sebelius still has a job. Jon Stewart invited her onto The Daily Show and mocked that he could “download every movie ever made” before she could log onto her own website. Her home state senator called for her to resign for "gross incompetence," as exactly “zero” residents of Kansas were able to successfully enroll in the program.

The rollout has been such a nightmare that it is abundantly clear now that members of Congress really did not, as then-Speaker Pelosi admitted, even read the Obamacare bill before they passed it. In fact, the program's launch has been such an unimaginable disaster that it raises an alarming new question that would have been unthinkable amid the exaggerated claims of health utopia from three years ago: Did President Obama even read this legislation before he signed it into law?

This is the single most complex piece of legislation in U.S. history, and we citizen-patients have a right to know. Did anyone in the notoriously cozy establishment Washington press corps even ask him this basic question?

Obamacare is a disaster and the American people know it. Republicans have never had a more teachable moment than the one they have now, between the shutdown of the government and the disastrous rollout of Obamacare.

Which begs the question: where are the Republicans anyway?

I know the Republican establishment never wanted a shutdown fight over Obamacare. But this is a fight we must win. Where is Minority Leader Mitch McConnell? Where is the RNC? Why aren’t Republicans telling the very real human stories of people losing their jobs and their doctors because of Obamacare? The president guaranteed that by 2013 the average family would see premiums reduced by $2,500. In reality, the average family has seen their premiums jacked up by $2,900, an eye-popping $5,400 miscalculation. What other predictions will prove to be horribly off?

Why don’t Republicans have a strategy to hammer this message every day?

Some see Obamacare fall on its face right out of the gate, but I see a real danger here. We cannot just sit back and hope these early glitches will drive Obamacare away. We have to make the American people understand what this bill is about to do to them, so they stand up and demand repeal.

When this debate began, President Obama guaranteed Americans that if we like our current insurance policies, we can keep them. If we like our current doctors, we can stay with them.

Since then, millions have been kicked off their company insurance. More than 750,000 New Jersey residents have been notified that their former policies no longer meet new government mandates and will be discontinued. Thousands more have seen hours reduced and their coverage evaporate, as employers struggle to deal with incomprehensible new federal rules. Most alarmingly, almost one-third of doctors report their unwillingness to accept patients from newly expanded governmental programs.

Meanwhile, Obamacare supporters continue to call it "universal" coverage. And the media is totally complicit.

The fact is, the massive new bureaucracy will extend coverage to only 27 million of the 56 million uninsured under current official government projections for 2020. Ultimately, Washington is going to take over 1/6 of our economy to try to fix less than half of the total uninsured problem. This is madness.

Most nefarious of all is that this entire European socialist centralized scheme does what massive bureaucracies always do: hurt young people and punish healthy behavior while rewarding reckless people and bankrolling unhealthy behavior. Today, a truly terrifying concept unspools as we watch the administration punish Americans across the country by unnecessarily barricading national parks and veterans' memorials to make certain people "feel the pain" of the government shutdown.

To quote a rural Nebraska pharmacist I met this past week: “What will these people do in the next government shutdown when they are also in control of every aspect of our healthcare? Withhold medication that people need? Postpone surgeries? Close emergency rooms?”

As absurd as this sounds today, a whole lot of absurd things have become reality under President Obama.

This is why I am running for U.S. Senate. Unlike Congress, and perhaps unlike even President Obama, I have read Obamacare’s 2,300 pages. I have studied it carefully and understand it.

I was a top advisor to President Bush's Health Secretary and worked to cut red tape and push market-based solutions over government mandates. We conservatives have always had great ideas for improving our nation's health care system by empowering patients and providers, but unfortunately Republican politicians have never been very good at selling those solutions to the American people.

Leaders like Sen. Mike Lee from Utah and Sen. Ted Cruz from Texas have done admirable work shining the spotlight on the horrors of Obamacare. I want to join them and lend my voice and expertise in health care issues to the movement they have begun. I am not a politician, but the people of our state have responded to our message: our campaign set a Nebraska fund-raising record in just three months in this race—because they’re ready for someone who can articulate the flaws in Obamacare.

It’s not enough to just say “Repeal Obamacare." We must use this moment to convey to the American people the disaster that’s about to hit them. Then we must outline our vision detailing conservative, small-government, patient-centric solutions to fix our broken health care system.

Most of all, we must embrace our duty to leave to our grandchildren an America as great, as free, and as opportunity-filled as the America we were blessed to inherit from our grandparents.

This is an important time in the life of our country. Republicans should embrace this moment, not hide from it.

Ben Sasse, president of Midland University, is running for U.S. Senate in Nebraska.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/15/obamacare-rollout-disasster
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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2013, 09:01:40 AM »
Eye doctor seeing red over ObamaCare changes
by Carl Campanile
New York Post
Oct. 31, 2013


Ophthalmologist Patricia McLaughlin doesn’t see eye-to-eye with ObamaCare: She’s been pushed onto a new insurance policy with a higher deductible, no out-of-network specialists and possibly fewer doctors.

Empire BlueCross/Blue Shield told the Upper East Side physician that it was forced to cancel the small-group coverage for her four-person office and write a new policy to abide by ObamaCare requirements.

“I’m getting less coverage than I had before,” McLaughlin said.

Empire raised the deductible from $2,000 to $2,500. The monthly premium per person came in $13 a month cheaper, or $470 month, and co-insurance payment remains 20 percent.

“I have to shell out another $500 for medication. It’s a big deal to a lot of people. The $500 is going to hit everyone, particularly patients who rely on chronic pain medication,” she said.

Empire is offering an “In Coverage Network Only” plan, eliminating the option of paying a higher deductible to go out of network.

“The reason is twofold: They weren’t selling [less than 2 percent of our members chose those plans], and the cost of out-of-network care in New York can be astronomical –driving up the cost of insurance and charges to consumers,” said Empire spokesperson Sally Kweskin.

McLaughlin suspects the list of available doctors and drugs will shrink.

She doesn’t know yet if her own doctors, including the internist she’s had for years, is in the network.

“I’m less happy right now,” McLaughlin said. “ These insurance companies are now using the ACA as the grand excuse to change the playing field from A to Z,” McLaughlin said.
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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2013, 09:06:33 AM »
What I worry about is that by the time people come to realize all this stuff, will it be too late to get rid of this monstrosity, even if more conservatives are voted in? 

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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2013, 09:09:08 AM »
Probably, L.   :thud:
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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2013, 04:14:43 PM »
What I worry about is that by the time people come to realize all this stuff, will it be too late to get rid of this monstrosity, even if more conservatives are voted in?

Which is why Ted Cruz was a hero for throwing himself on his sword to try everything possible to stop it.
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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2013, 04:20:56 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/30/politics/obamacare-white-house-pressure/index.html?sr=sharebar_twitter


Cavuto just had two retired gentlemen on his show who had Blue Cross Blue Shield plans cancelled... said these were not bad plans they had and the plans suited them fine and were affordable... their new premiums to keep the "new" government-approved plan was over $1000 a month. One guy said he thought it was a joke and had to be for a year not per month... but per month.  Said his wife is no longer child bearing age - but the plan demands they take maternity, birth control, etc as part of the plan.. the other man said the same thing.
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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2013, 04:28:08 PM »
Cavuto just had two retired gentlemen on his show who had Blue Cross Blue Shield plans cancelled... said these were not bad plans they had and the plans suited them fine and were affordable... their new premiums to keep the "new" government-approved plan was over $1000 a month. One guy said he thought it was a joke and had to be for a year not per month... but per month.  Said his wife is no longer child bearing age - but the plan demands they take maternity, birth control, etc as part of the plan.. the other man said the same thing.

Government knows best! Meir citizens are no longer capable of figuring out which insurance coverages they need or do not need! One size fits all and DAMN the consequences!

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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2013, 04:36:21 PM »
Same here, what I pay for year they want me to pay for each month.


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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2013, 04:44:02 PM »
Government knows best!(1)Meir citizens are no longer capable of figuring out which insurance coverages they need or do not need! (2)One size fits all and DAMN the consequences!

(1)  This absolutely smacks of Cloward/Piven.  (2)  Choices would mean freedom, something democrats are not keen on - at least for others.
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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2013, 04:46:17 PM »
(1)  This absolutely smacks of Cloward/Piven.  (2)  Choices would mean freedom, something democrats are not keen on - at least for others.

It reeks of communism to me.  It says we are not smart enough to choose the type of policy we want so the government is going to do it for us.
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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2013, 04:51:46 PM »
It reeks of communism to me.  It says we are not smart enough to choose the type of policy we want so the government is going to do it for us.

Cloward/Piven is about the destruction of free enterprise and rise of communism. :bash:
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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2013, 08:26:02 PM »
It reeks of communism to me.  It says we are not smart enough to choose the type of policy we want so the government is going to do it for us.

Hush and eat your peas. Your superiors have spoken.

I am watching this with a mix of amusement (say 5%) and horror (the other 95%).

WHERE THE bleep IS THE AMERICA I KNOW AND ADMIRE?!

Sorry, yes, Americans can be loud, insular and annoying on buses. They are also tough as hell, know what they want, and pay the price - without question. Did someone dose the entire water supply with Xanax when I weren't looking here?

I can't think of an alternative explanation.
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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2013, 08:31:45 PM »
It reeks of communism to me.  It says we are not smart enough to choose the type of policy we want so the government is going to do it for us.

Actually you are both right! Cloward/Piven is just a plan to move us down the road to what they actually want (full blown socialism) and is being executed to perfection!

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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2013, 11:19:57 PM »
[[ Obamacare is a disaster and the American people know it. Republicans have never had a more teachable moment than the one they have now, between the shutdown of the government and the disastrous rollout of Obamacare. ]]

There is at least one precedent where a nationwide policy put into place became so hated and unworkable that it had to be repealed in its entirety. And the repeal came years after the enactment.

That was Prohibition. The Twenty-first Amendment ended it (after having been established by the Eighteenth Amendment).

Of course, for both those amendments, the Congress passed them and then sent them to the states for ratification.

Congress passed The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. But since neither Congress nor the Courts are willing to correct this disastrous mistake could not it, too, be "repealed" through a Constitional amendment, as was Prohibition?

This time, it won't be the Congress that passes the amendment -- it will be 36 states, acting in concert with one another.

Suppose 36 state legislatures passed the following proposed amendment:
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The law known as "The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" is hereby repealed in its entirety.

All regulations passed pursuant to enactment of the aforestated law are hereby withdrawn and excised.

All persons hired pursuant to enforcement of the aforestated law are hereby discharged of their duties.

The provisions of this amendment will become effective 120 days after ratification by the several states has been completed.
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... and then again "passed" it at a national Constitutional convention (to comply with Constitutional requirements that there _be_ some kind of "national convention").

... and then ratified it in 36 state legislatures (possibly more).

What then?

Can a Constitutional amendment be used to repeal an existing law enacted by the Congress? If not, why not?

It just so happens that 36 state governments were sufficiently opposed to ObamaCare enough to refuse to establish "state-level" exchanges.

I'm wondering how many of these states would like to take things a step further.

There has been much talk of late about how the people will ever "take back" power from the DC government.

If enough states band together, they could STOP ObamaCare once and for all this way.

It's worth a try.
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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2013, 11:23:20 PM »
Something interesting I heard today........  in countries with socialized medicine their equivalent of the Medicare Tax is approx 37% and they they have income taxes on top of it....
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Re: Beyond glitches: Obamacare nightmare just beginning
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2013, 08:07:38 AM »
Something interesting I heard today........  in countries with socialized medicine their equivalent of the Medicare Tax is approx 37% and they they have income taxes on top of it....

It seems quite obvious the commiecrats have studied the European systems of healthcare and have built one that is superior to all others in it's destructiveness and cost. :3:
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