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Offline happyg

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« on: October 15, 2013, 11:05:05 PM »

Offline Lando Lincoln

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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2013, 11:16:10 PM »
I wonder if John Roberts wishes he could have a "do-over".  I listened to Levin tonite.  He was compelling.
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2013, 11:32:40 PM »
I wonder if John Roberts wishes he could have a "do-over".  I listened to Levin tonite.  He was compelling.

I want to know why Roberts changed his vote and if he thinks - now - it was worth whatever he was trying to hide.

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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2013, 11:39:34 PM »
I want to know why Roberts changed his vote and if he thinks - now - it was worth whatever he was trying to hide.

Roberts was not trying to "hide" anything.  Sheesh.

Roberts reaction was offputting, but his categorization of Obamacare's mandate as a tax is a huge gift:  a tax can be overturned with 51 votes in the Senate, and tax bills cannot be filibustered. 

All we need is a Republican government, and Obamacare could be repealed in a heartbeat.
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2013, 12:21:22 AM »
Roberts was not trying to "hide" anything.  Sheesh.

Roberts reaction was offputting, but his categorization of Obamacare's mandate as a tax is a huge gift:  a tax can be overturned with 51 votes in the Senate, and tax bills cannot be filibustered. 

All we need is a Republican government, and Obamacare could be repealed in a heartbeat.

It COULD have been a gift if our side had the balls to run with it. I do believe Roberts changed his vote at the last minute, as is seen in the odd writings of the court briefs which indicated an opposite reaction to the end result. I believe this may have been Robert's Trojan Horse for whatever reason made him vote the way he did. The Administration's side didn't argue it was a tax, Roberts pulled that one out of somewhere. Maybe someday, a decade or two from now, we'll hear the whole story.

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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2013, 12:37:28 AM »
It COULD have been a gift if our side had the balls to run with it. I do believe Roberts changed his vote at the last minute, as is seen in the odd writings of the court briefs which indicated an opposite reaction to the end result. I believe this may have been Robert's Trojan Horse for whatever reason made him vote the way he did. The Administration's side didn't argue it was a tax, Roberts pulled that one out of somewhere. Maybe someday, a decade or two from now, we'll hear the whole story.

If I recall correctly, they sorta argued it was a tax, although it wasn't a prominent part of their argument.  My recollection is that their argument was somewhat like a 10 page paper which argues that the mandate is a penalty, with a sentence at the end that says "But if you don't agree with our reasoning could you just please please please consider it a tax and rule in our favor on that basis?"
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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2013, 12:38:15 AM »
Roberts was not trying to "hide" anything.  Sheesh.

Roberts reaction was offputting, but his categorization of Obamacare's mandate as a tax is a huge gift:  a tax can be overturned with 51 votes in the Senate, and tax bills cannot be filibustered. 

All we need is a Republican government, and Obamacare could be repealed in a heartbeat.

Having a "Republican" party at this point - at least THIS Republican Party -  is not going to gain us a thing.  Nothing, zilch, nada.  these clowns are bought and sold by K-Street and big money and it doesn't matter what they have behind their names McCain, Graham, McConnell, and even your beloved Cornyn do not give a tinkers damn about you, me or any of us, all they care about is keeping their power and sitting on the throne of power.

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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2013, 12:40:29 AM »
All we need is a Republican government, and Obamacare could be repealed in a heartbeat.

On this we can agree.  I just don't trust the voters to refrain from selecting representatives who legislate largesse at taxpayer expense.
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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2013, 09:28:27 AM »
Roberts was not trying to "hide" anything.  Sheesh.

Roberts reaction was offputting, but his categorization of Obamacare's mandate as a tax is a huge gift:  a tax can be overturned with 51 votes in the Senate, and tax bills cannot be filibustered. 

All we need is a Republican government, and Obamacare could be repealed in a heartbeat.

IF the Republicans in office mean what they say, and believe what they campaigned on, this is true.

They ALL voted against it, but now some seem to be cowards in not being willing to fight it off.

They say they are united against Obamacare, and only disagree on how to do it, but I'm not sure that they actually would repeal it if we had a majority in both the House and Senate.

They've disappointed us before when they were in power.   I just hope this is important enough to them (and that they actually know what a disaster this policy is for America.........not sure of that since they're so insulated) to actually ACT on their words when they get back into power.

(That is, if Obama hasn't destroyed the country and the election process enough in the next few years to actually allow us to regain the majority).
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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2013, 09:30:18 AM »
On this we can agree.  I just don't trust the voters to refrain from selecting representatives who legislate largesse at taxpayer expense.

I don't know if we can ever overcome the massive voter fraud the Dems have been able to get away with, and the media lies about who Republicans are, and what we stand for.
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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2013, 10:51:40 AM »
As long a McConnell and Tammy Fay Boehner are the republican "leaders", Obamacare will never be overturned, even if they have total control of both houses and the presidency.  One derogatory comment from a newspaper and they will fly to the comfort zone of doing nothing.  Oh, there will be lots of huffing, puffing, and threatening from the two but in the end they will do what they have always done - run from the issue. :bolt:
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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2013, 12:25:51 PM »
As long a McConnell and Tammy Fay Boehner are the republican "leaders", Obamacare will never be overturned, even if they have total control of both houses and the presidency.  One derogatory comment from a newspaper and they will fly to the comfort zone of doing nothing.  Oh, there will be lots of huffing, puffing, and threatening from the two but in the end they will do what they have always done - run from the issue. :bolt:


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