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Re: Stunned Republicans React to Canceled Vote By Jonathan Strong
« Reply #50 on: October 16, 2013, 05:15:28 pm »
Then there is little hope fir yo if you think he care about ANYONE but himself. The know lies when there I no reason to lie.. case in point his interview yesterday.  And since he's been President black people and the poor are worse off.

So am I a lost cause or not? This seems to be inconclusive.

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Re: Stunned Republicans React to Canceled Vote By Jonathan Strong
« Reply #51 on: October 16, 2013, 05:35:04 pm »
So am I a lost cause or not? This seems to be inconclusive.

There is always hope.  I was a radical leader in the Peace and Freedom Party when I was younger.  I later spent six years as a political operative for the Democrat Caucus of the California legislature under Willie Brown.  In that position, I became intimately familiar with how corrupt the Democrat Party actually is, and how it plays its constituents for suckers.

Once you truly understand politics, you will see that politics is incapable of solving most problems.  In fact, it usually creates more problems than it solves.  Once you come to that realization, socialist idealism is out the window. 

True "Power to the People" requires less government, not more.

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Re: Stunned Republicans React to Canceled Vote By Jonathan Strong
« Reply #52 on: October 16, 2013, 05:44:48 pm »
There is always hope.  I was a radical leader in the Peace and Freedom Party when I was younger.  I later spent six years as a political operative for the Democrat Caucus of the California legislature under Willie Brown.  In that position, I became intimately familiar with how corrupt the Democrat Party actually is, and how it plays its constituents for suckers.

Once you truly understand politics, you will see that politics is incapable of solving most problems.  In fact, it usually creates more problems than it solves.  Once you come to that realization, socialist idealism is out the window. 

True "Power to the People" requires less government, not more.

You've really got a way with words today massadvj - words of wisdom!
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Re: Stunned Republicans React to Canceled Vote By Jonathan Strong
« Reply #53 on: October 16, 2013, 05:47:48 pm »

True "Power to the People" requires less government, not more.

OH man is that ever the truth!
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Re: Stunned Republicans React to Canceled Vote By Jonathan Strong
« Reply #54 on: October 16, 2013, 05:52:16 pm »
You've really got a way with words today massadvj - words of wisdom!

I hope you are right.  When one is 60, the good days are rare.  I'd hate to think you are just more delusional than usual today.  :green teeth:
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Re: Stunned Republicans React to Canceled Vote By Jonathan Strong
« Reply #55 on: October 16, 2013, 06:04:51 pm »
I hope you are right.  When one is 60, the good days are rare.  I'd hate to think you are just more delusional than usual today.   :green teeth:

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Re: Stunned Republicans React to Canceled Vote By Jonathan Strong
« Reply #56 on: October 16, 2013, 06:25:59 pm »
I'll tell you how you fight the media back - you just walk around them and move forward.  You start your own media - an alternative media.  We are the foot soldiers in this movement and we have a job to do as well.  WE spread the word, we blog, email, text, twitter and all the places we can.  We mock and belittle them and counter their every attack.

We never give up - even when it is all but certain we will fail, we fight for what is right - even if it makes us unpopular.  And, when one of our guys is standing in the arena, taking all of the heat - we cover his back and use our considerable numbers to rally - not depress the fight.

There is an alternate media.  The problem with your approach is that you can ignore the media, but that doesn't mean that they are going to ignore you.

The MSM is the real problem in this country, just as they have been in every other socialist/fascist country in the history of the world.  You control the media, and you control the masses.
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Re: Stunned Republicans React to Canceled Vote By Jonathan Strong
« Reply #57 on: October 16, 2013, 06:27:21 pm »
Many here seem to think that the left will spin the facts and make Obamacare sound like a success when it isn't.
The left, and their media, will have so much invested, that of course they will deem it a success.\

They will do so, even if independent sources prove it FAILED on the major goals; namely reducing the numbers of the uninsured, reducing health care costs, etc.

They will concoct some way to claim success.
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Re: Stunned Republicans React to Canceled Vote By Jonathan Strong
« Reply #58 on: October 16, 2013, 06:46:28 pm »
The MSM is the real problem in this country, just as they have been in every other socialist/fascist country in the history of the world.  You control the media, and you control the masses.
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Re: Stunned Republicans React to Canceled Vote By Jonathan Strong
« Reply #59 on: October 16, 2013, 07:10:49 pm »
The MSM is the real problem in this country, just as they have been in every other socialist/fascist country in the history of the world.  You control the media, and you control the masses.

Started with the takeover of the public schools. That laid the foundation.

The media keeps the public in check.

It's interesting how we learn things as we go along. I used to think that Russia was filled with real journalists who wanted to report the truth, but the state controlled them. I didn't realize that the media in places like Soviet Russia and today's USA are communists. The media willingly goes along with the evil that is being done to their country.

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Re: Stunned Republicans React to Canceled Vote By Jonathan Strong
« Reply #60 on: October 16, 2013, 07:12:32 pm »
The media willingly goes along with the evil that is being done to their country.


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Re: Stunned Republicans React to Canceled Vote By Jonathan Strong
« Reply #61 on: October 16, 2013, 08:18:32 pm »
Started with the takeover of the public schools. That laid the foundation.

The media keeps the public in check.

It's interesting how we learn things as we go along. I used to think that Russia was filled with real journalists who wanted to report the truth, but the state controlled them. I didn't realize that the media in places like Soviet Russia and today's USA are communists. The media willingly goes along with the evil that is being done to their country.

Students who would be inclined toward conservatism don't major in journalism.  Also, of course, journalism is non-quantitative, so it appeals to a much lower grade of student than, say, engineering or accounting.  It's the perfect major for the dumb and lazy, which explains why every successful PR man makes sure his press conferences feature an open bar.

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Re: Stunned Republicans React to Canceled Vote By Jonathan Strong
« Reply #62 on: October 16, 2013, 09:15:33 pm »
There is always hope.  I was a radical leader in the Peace and Freedom Party when I was younger.  I later spent six years as a political operative for the Democrat Caucus of the California legislature under Willie Brown.  In that position, I became intimately familiar with how corrupt the Democrat Party actually is, and how it plays its constituents for suckers.

Once you truly understand politics, you will see that politics is incapable of solving most problems.  In fact, it usually creates more problems than it solves.  Once you come to that realization, socialist idealism is out the window. 

True "Power to the People" requires less government, not more.

Now THAT is a beautiful post.

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Re: Stunned Republicans React to Canceled Vote By Jonathan Strong
« Reply #63 on: October 16, 2013, 09:47:51 pm »
Students who would be inclined toward conservatism don't major in journalism.  Also, of course, journalism is non-quantitative, so it appeals to a much lower grade of student than, say, engineering or accounting.  It's the perfect major for the dumb and lazy, which explains why every successful PR man makes sure his press conferences feature an open bar.

... followed by an indiscriminate slam at heroic war correspondents, courageous investigative journalists uncovering mob activities, beat reporters following leads on corrupt politicians, financial analysts, science reporters, data journalists and of course fashion editors.

The Fourth Estate was recognized as so important to our fledgling democracy that the founders included freedom of the press in the very first amendment to the constitution.

And you hurt my feelings, to boot.  -- California State University, Chico, School of Journalism, 1975

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Re: Stunned Republicans React to Canceled Vote By Jonathan Strong
« Reply #64 on: October 16, 2013, 10:52:53 pm »
The Fourth Estate was recognized as so important to our fledgling democracy that the founders put freedom of the press as the very first amendment to the constitution.

Actually, freedom of the press was fourth in that amendment.  After establishment of religion, free exercise thereof and abridging freedom of speech.

Those freedoms need to take their rightful place ahead of 'freedom of the press'...


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Re: Stunned Republicans React to Canceled Vote By Jonathan Strong
« Reply #65 on: October 16, 2013, 11:10:08 pm »
... followed by an indiscriminate slam at heroic war correspondents, courageous investigative journalists uncovering mob activities, beat reporters following leads on corrupt politicians, financial analysts, science reporters, data journalists and of course fashion editors.

The Fourth Estate was recognized as so important to our fledgling democracy that the founders put freedom of the press as the very first amendment to the constitution.

And you hurt my feelings, to boot.  -- California State University, Chico, School of Journalism, 1975

Well, if it helps your bruised ego, hardly anyone majors in journalism anymore.  I agree it has quite a storied history.  There aren't any objective journalists left, and to tell you the truth, there is no market for objective journalism.  Students today major in communications, and that major really is a catch-all for the those who flunked out of pre-med, engineering, business, etc.

Isn't Cal State Chico well known as one of the great party schools?  I went to Cal State Sacramento, so I am not unfamiliar with Chico.
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Re: Stunned Republicans React to Canceled Vote By Jonathan Strong
« Reply #66 on: October 16, 2013, 11:36:45 pm »
Well, if it helps your bruised ego, hardly anyone majors in journalism anymore.  I agree it has quite a storied history.  There aren't any objective journalists left, and to tell you the truth, there is no market for objective journalism.  Students today major in communications, and that major really is a catch-all for the those who flunked out of pre-med, engineering, business, etc.

Isn't Cal State Chico well known as one of the great party schools?  I went to Cal State Sacramento, so I am not unfamiliar with Chico.

One night, probably in 1880, John Swinton, then the preeminent New York journalist, was the guest of honour at a banquet given him by the leaders of his craft. Someone who knew neither the press nor Swinton offered a toast to the independent press. Swinton outraged his colleagues by replying:

"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.
There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone.

"The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread.
You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?
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Re: Stunned Republicans React to Canceled Vote By Jonathan Strong
« Reply #67 on: October 17, 2013, 12:24:53 am »

There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone.

I would say these days most "reporters" give their true opinions, but their true opinions are misguided beyond belief.

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Re: Stunned Republicans React to Canceled Vote By Jonathan Strong
« Reply #68 on: October 17, 2013, 12:57:49 am »
Well, if it helps your bruised ego, hardly anyone majors in journalism anymore.  I agree it has quite a storied history.  There aren't any objective journalists left, and to tell you the truth, there is no market for objective journalism.  Students today major in communications, and that major really is a catch-all for the those who flunked out of pre-med, engineering, business, etc.

Isn't Cal State Chico well known as one of the great party schools?  I went to Cal State Sacramento, so I am not unfamiliar with Chico.

You're right on two points. Objective journalism is pretty much dead. UPI, AP, Reuters, were once the gold standard in hard news—just the facts ma'am. Now they lean so far left the copy slopes off the page. And, yes, Chico State ranked in the top 3 of Playboy magazines Top Party Campuses back when I was skipping classes there.