Author Topic: Unions poised to win delay of ObamaCare tax in budget deal  (Read 1136 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 255,442
Unions poised to win delay of ObamaCare tax in budget deal
« on: October 14, 2013, 06:09:03 PM »
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/328459-labor-gets-obamacare-olive-branch-


Unions poised to win delay of ObamaCare tax in budget deal
By Elise Viebeck - 10/14/13 05:25 PM ET

Labor unions are poised to score the delay of an ObamaCare tax in the bipartisan budget deal emerging in the Senate.

The bargain under negotiation would make small adjustments to the healthcare law, including delaying the law's reinsurance fee for one year. The three-year tax is meant to generate revenue that will stabilize premiums on the individual market as sick patients enter the risk pool.

The tax applies to all group health plans, but unions argue it will raise their healthcare costs while providing them no benefit.

The reinsurance tax figured prominently in discussions at a recent AFL-CIO convention, where workers passed a resolution demanding changes to ObamaCare.

The White House recently denied labor's top priority on ObamaCare, ruling that union health plans are not eligible for the new subsidies because they are already helped by the tax code.

Democrats could be pushing to delay the reinsurance fee for one year as an olive branch after that apparent slight, though it could also create trouble for insurers on the marketplaces.

The possible Senate deal would raise the nation's debt ceiling until mid-February, immediately reopen the government and provide funding until Jan. 15.

It remains to be seen if House Republicans will accept a package that does little to thwart ObamaCare.

The emerging Senate deal defies several expectations when it comes to the healthcare law.
 
It does nothing to delay or end a new tax on medical devices, for example — a move that appeared to be gaining momentum earlier in the week.

The 2.3 percent tax, which has opposition in both parties, is expected to generate about $30 billion in revenue for ObamaCare over the next 10 years.

Supporters say the fee is fair because the device industry will benefit from a wider customer base under the healthcare law.

But device makers say their tax will cut jobs and stymie innovation, and this argument has gained traction on Capitol Hill.

A bill to repeal the device tax has more than 260 co-sponsors in the House, and 30 Democratic senators opposed the fee alongside their GOP colleagues in a symbolic vote earlier this year.

Democrats are considering including a provision in the emerging deal to require income verification for people receiving federal discounts on healthcare coverage.

But a Democratic aide characterized that reform as a "nothing-burger" because it would only enforce existing law. 



Support the USO

Offline Rapunzel

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 71,719
Re: Unions poised to win delay of ObamaCare tax in budget deal
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2013, 06:22:02 PM »
Unions win, Medical Device Mfgr's win the voters - as usual - get screwed.
“The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves.” G Washington July 2, 1776

Offline happyg

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 11,822
Re: Unions poised to win delay of ObamaCare tax in budget deal
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2013, 09:00:06 PM »
Unions win, Medical Device Mfgr's win the voters - as usual - get screwed.

Unfortunately, you are right.

Quote
The 2.3 percent tax, which has opposition in both parties, is expected to generate about $30 billion in revenue for ObamaCare over the next 10 years.

That depends on whether or not ObamaCare accepts the medical device for a patient. Some people will do without a medical device if it isn't covered.

Offline massadvj

  • Editorial Advisor
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,173
    • Auktion Online
Re: Unions poised to win delay of ObamaCare tax in budget deal
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2013, 09:08:17 PM »
As usual, they seem to be looking at which special interests they can reward with any "deals" that emerge with no sympathy whatsoever for the American people, who will be screwed by the spending increase, Obamacare and continued business as usual.
"She only coughs when she lies."

Offline happyg

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 11,822
Re: Unions poised to win delay of ObamaCare tax in budget deal
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2013, 09:11:01 PM »
As usual, they seem to be looking at which special interests they can reward with any "deals" that emerge with no sympathy whatsoever for the American people, who will be screwed by the spending increase, Obamacare and continued business as usual.

And, they wonder why there is a Tea Party! Thank God for that, or we would be totally under the power of the government.

Offline sinkspur

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 28,599
Re: Unions poised to win delay of ObamaCare tax in budget deal
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2013, 09:12:41 PM »
Any repeal of any tax ought to delight the hearts of conservatives.
From  "A Shining City on a Hill"

To "A global laughingstock"

Offline massadvj

  • Editorial Advisor
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,173
    • Auktion Online
Re: Unions poised to win delay of ObamaCare tax in budget deal
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2013, 09:27:18 PM »
Any repeal of any tax ought to delight the hearts of conservatives.

Not if there is no spending discipline.  Given the size of the debt, in certain scenarios borrow and spend might actually be worse than tax and spend, IMHO.

Your point is well taken, however.  I don't oppose repealing the tax, and did not mean to suggest I was.  I was merely pointing out that any "deal" is now inclusive of special interests, while the individual mandate and other things that might have broader appeal are out the window.   It's business as usual.
"She only coughs when she lies."

Offline Rapunzel

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 71,719
Re: Unions poised to win delay of ObamaCare tax in budget deal
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2013, 09:27:37 PM »
Any repeal of any tax ought to delight the hearts of conservatives.

Where is the relief for ordinary AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!  Hint - there isn't any because we only have a handful of people speaking for us and you hate those people with a passion, never mind without them we would have zero voice in DC.  I'm sick of unions and big business getting all the breaks and the rest of us getting screwed.
“The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves.” G Washington July 2, 1776

Offline sinkspur

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 28,599
Re: Unions poised to win delay of ObamaCare tax in budget deal
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2013, 09:35:34 PM »
Where is the relief for ordinary AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!  Hint - there isn't any because we only have a handful of people speaking for us and you hate those people with a passion, never mind without them we would have zero voice in DC.  I'm sick of unions and big business getting all the breaks and the rest of us getting screwed.

The removal of the added costs of the tax may benefit you some day if you need any of these devices.
From  "A Shining City on a Hill"

To "A global laughingstock"

Offline sinkspur

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 28,599
Re: Unions poised to win delay of ObamaCare tax in budget deal
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2013, 09:40:36 PM »
Where is the relief for ordinary AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!  Hint - there isn't any because we only have a handful of people speaking for us and you hate those people with a passion, never mind without them we would have zero voice in DC.  I'm sick of unions and big business getting all the breaks and the rest of us getting screwed.

By the way, I don't hate Ted Cruz.  I disagree with his "burn it all down" tactics and his imprudent speech.  Calling fellow Republican Senators Nazi enablers is simply beyond the pale.
From  "A Shining City on a Hill"

To "A global laughingstock"

Offline massadvj

  • Editorial Advisor
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12,173
    • Auktion Online
Re: Unions poised to win delay of ObamaCare tax in budget deal
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2013, 09:43:35 PM »
By the way, I don't hate Ted Cruz.  I disagree with his "burn it all down" tactics and his imprudent speech.  Calling fellow Republican Senators Nazi enablers is simply beyond the pale.

 :threadjack:
"She only coughs when she lies."

Offline sinkspur

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 28,599
Re: Unions poised to win delay of ObamaCare tax in budget deal
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2013, 10:30:02 PM »
:threadjack:

Rap brought him up indirectly.  Maybe you didn't notice.
From  "A Shining City on a Hill"

To "A global laughingstock"

Offline happyg

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 11,822
Re: Unions poised to win delay of ObamaCare tax in budget deal
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2013, 10:34:16 PM »
Rap brought him up indirectly.  Maybe you didn't notice.

And you took the opportunity to bring this up for the 100th time:
Quote
Calling fellow Republican Senators Nazi enablers is simply beyond the pale
, and Cruz never said that, and you know it.

Quote
If you go to the 1940s, Nazi Germany," Cruz said Tuesday during his discourse. "Look, we saw in Britain, Neville Chamberlain, who told the British people, 'Accept the Nazis. Yes, they'll dominate the continent of Europe but that's not our problem. Let's appease them. Why? Because it can't be done. We can't possibly stand against them.'"
« Last Edit: October 14, 2013, 10:41:44 PM by happyg »

Offline Cincinnatus

  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 5,514
Re: Unions poised to win delay of ObamaCare tax in budget deal
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2013, 12:10:20 AM »
The White House recently denied labor's top priority on ObamaCare...

I felt at the time this "denial" was nothing more than a public relations ploy as it wouldn't have been politic for the Obama admin to give the delay at that time. Now they have as a reward for union support and it will receive no, or little, media attention.

Now I will make a prediction. The medical device tax will be repealed, not because it is the right thing to do, but because so many Democrat Senators want it repealed as it hurts their constituents. When it is repealed it will be promoted as an example of how Obama and the Dems "compromised", and it will all be BS.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2013, 12:15:36 AM by Cincinnatus »
We shall never be abandoned by Heaven while we act worthy of its aid ~~ Samuel Adams


Share me

Digg  Facebook  SlashDot  Delicious  Technorati  Twitter  Google  Yahoo
Smf