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CNN...Obama, Boehner negotiations at standstill
« on: October 12, 2013, 11:51:09 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/12/politics/shutdown-showdown/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Obama, Boehner negotiations at standstill
By Tom Cohen, Greg Botelho and Leigh Ann Caldwell, CNN
updated 11:25 AM EDT, Sat October 12, 2013

Washington (CNN) -- Talks between House Speaker John Boehner and President Barack Obama over the government shutdown and looming debt limit deadline have hit a brick wall.

Boehner relayed the news to his Republican caucus during a Saturday morning meeting after a night of work where little progress was made. Republican Rep. Paul Labrador of Idaho emerged from the meeting, telling CNN that "the President rejected our deal."

The standstill has decreased the possibility that the House would vote to reopen the government this weekend and while leadership would remain in Washington to work on a proposal, rank-and-file members might return to their districts until Monday afternoon.

The proposal from House Republicans is to increase the federal borrowing limit for about six weeks to avoid a potentially harmful default as soon as October 17, when the Obama administration says the government will run out of money to pay its bills.

But the lack of a mechanism to immediately reopen the government -- which has been partially shut down since October 1, prompting the furlough of hundreds of thousands of workers, the closing of national parks and an increase in public anger -- could turn off some Democrats. Even some Republicans in the Senate want to see a deal that addresses the government shutdown.

Republican, Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois said the President is waiting for a better offer.

"It doesn't seem like the White House is serious at all about entering negotiations with us until they see what the comes out of the Senate. If they get something out of the Senate that's weaker than our negotiated position it obviously strengthens their position," Kinzinger said.

The standstill comes after a Friday afternoon phone call between Boehner and Obama where they decided to "all keep talking."

Conversations on Friday did, however, yield some points of agreement among lawmakers, including on altering Obama's signature health care reforms and raising revenue to prevent forced cuts in government spending.

At the White House, press secretary Jay Carney repeated Obama's position Friday afternoon that the partial shutdown must end before budget talks aimed to address the debt begin.

However, he didn't close the door completely on the House GOP plan, saying Obama would sign a temporary debt ceiling increase "as a bare minimum" as long as Republicans didn't attach partisan policy issues to it.

Republicans like Rep. Peter Roskam of Illinois say a temporary debt ceiling hike will allow all parties to "concentrate on the continuing resolution." His chamber could vote on the measure as soon as this weekend.

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Sources: GOP senators losing patience with House

While Obama continued his outreach on Friday, including conversations with nearly 150 business leaders and 25 governors, some GOP members in the Senate are coming up with their own plan.

A bipartisan group of about 10 senators, led by Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, are leading the efforts.

The proposal, which has yet to be introduced, would raise the debt ceiling and reopen the government with some qualifications. Among them: A Republican priority, backed by many Democrats, to end a tax on medical devices created by the Affordable Care Act, commonly known as Obamacare.

While much of their fire has been aimed at Democrats, some Senate Republicans also see their House colleagues as part of the problem.
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There is growing concern being expressed in private meetings that the House GOP plan extending the debt ceiling for six weeks would come back to haunt the party, because it would expire close to the holidays, hurting retailers.

There also are worries about the impact of the partial shutdown dragging on, especially with polls showing the Republican Party getting the brunt of the blame.

Several GOP senators told CNN they will give House Speaker John Boehner a bit more time -- about 24 to 48 hours -- to reach a deal with the White House to raise the debt ceiling and reopen the government. But after that, they'll push the plan backed by moderate Senate Republicans more aggressively.



After Friday's meeting at the White House, Collins said Obama "listened carefully" and "said that some of the elements were issues we could work on. But he certainly did not endorse" the proposal.

Conservative Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah said Obama called the medical device tax a "legitimate concern" that can be addressed because it wasn't part of the core Obamacare program.

According to other senators in the meeting, another Obamacare alteration under discussion would change the definition of a part-time worker in order to protect employees having their hours cut so businesses can avoid a requirement to provide health coverage.

Some conservatives -- like tea party favorite Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas -- left the meeting upset at Obama for continuing to insist the government must reopen and the debt ceiling must be increased before he would take part in full-fledged negotiations on deficit reduction.

"There was an awful lot of talking but the president still says he won't negotiate," said Cruz, who spearheaded the attempt last month to add anti-Obamacare amendments to a spending plan needed to prevent the government shutdown.

Source: Obama, Ryan exchange shifts tone

Even as he has continued to firmly repeat his positions, President Obama has been reaching across the aisle this week.

One potentially pivotal meeting came Thursday evening, when House GOP leaders went to the White House.

The two sides went around and around for an hour, getting nowhere. Then -- as first reported by CNN's Deirdre Walsh and Dana Bash, citing multiple attendees -- an exchange between GOP Rep. Paul Ryan and Obama seemed to clear the air.

CNN Chief National Correspondent John King told CNN's "New Day" that Ryan, the Republican chairman of the House Budget Committee, "said something to the effect of, 'Look, we know you don't like our position, we know you probably don't respect our position, but we're the Republican majority.' "



Those comments changed the tone of the meeting, King said. Obama reiterated his opposition to negotiations before the government reopens, then urged GOP leaders to go ask their colleagues what they want done to make that happen.

Republican Rep. Steve Southerland of Florida said the interaction between the two men -- who squared off in the 2012 election, when Ryan ran as his party's vice presidential nominee -- "was an important part of the conversation."

"Paul and the President certainly have a past through the last election, and I think there's a great respect between them. And you can't make that up." Southerland said.

The new atmosphere was reflected in both sides' comments after the meeting. The White House called it good and said the parties discussed "potential paths forward." GOP Rep. Hal Rogers of Kentucky said they were talking "in good faith" about both the debt and reopening the government.

"We're all working together now," said Rep. Pete Sessions, a Texas Republican.

In a video message to a right-wing political summit on Friday, Ryan noted conservatives can't get everything they want with Democrats holding the White House and a majority of the Senate.

"This President won't agree to everything we need to do," said the message from Ryan, according to excerpts provided by one of his aides. "A budget agreement with this President and this Senate won't solve our problems. But I hope it's a start."

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Re: CNN...Obama, Boehner negotiations at standstill
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2013, 12:24:09 PM »
So the only alteration to Obamacare is the repeal of the medical device tax, which the GOP could have had on September 28 and avoided the shutdown completely.

What a colossal waste of time and capital this shutdown has been!!
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Re: CNN...Obama, Boehner negotiations at standstill
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2013, 01:11:30 PM »
Obama can string this out as long as he wants. The longer the better. He can blame it on the GOP, and make that stick with voters.

The prize is the House majority in 2014. Obama and dems are focused on it.



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Re: CNN...Obama, Boehner negotiations at standstill
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2013, 02:35:49 PM »
So the only alteration to Obamacare is the repeal of the medical device tax, which the GOP could have had on September 28 and avoided the shutdown completely.

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Published: September 28, 2013


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WASHINGTON — Lawmakers on both sides of the Capitol already have overwhelmingly rejected the medical device tax that House Republicans insist on repealing as a condition for keeping the government open. It's just that those earlier votes didn't count.

Despite its unpopularity, both the White House and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., vowed this week they would not let Republicans make the tax a bargaining chip in averting a government shutdown on Tuesday. Republicans nonetheless put that chip on the table Saturday, along with a new demand to delay for a year making people buy medical insurance under President Barack Obama's health care law. The requirement goes into effect Jan. 1.

Reid, through a spokesman, called the idea of repealing the medical device tax as part of an anti-shutdown bill "stupid." "The Senate will reject any (funding bill) that includes a repeal of the medical device tax," said Reid spokesman Adam Jentleson.[/quote]
[emphasis added]

http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/09/28/3236092/congress-voted-before-to-repeal.html

Several Democrats have called for the repeal of this tax, since it hurts their constituents, but to no avail.

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December 10, 2012
(This, of course, would have been 10 months ago)

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More than a dozen Senate Democrats have signed on to a letter asking Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) to support a delay of the medical device tax, which is slated to take effect Jan. 1. It's not the call for repeal industry would like to hear, but considering how few blue friends devicemakers seem to have, the news is likely to be well-received.

Sens. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) and Kay Hagan (D-NC) are the top signatories, joined by 16 other Democratic senators and senators-elect in a letter asking Reid and the party leadership to take up the cause of delay.


http://www.fiercemedicaldevices.com/story/senate-dems-ask-delay-medical-device-tax/2012-12-10

If Obama/Reid won't even delay the tax for a sizable portion of their own Senate Democrats, hard to see why they would have repealed it at the behest of the Republicans.
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Re: CNN...Obama, Boehner negotiations at standstill
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2013, 02:59:01 PM »
Obama can string this out as long as he wants. The longer the better. He can blame it on the GOP, and make that stick with voters.

The prize is the House majority in 2014. Obama and dems are focused on it.

Yep.  Obama's in the driver's seat now.  He can play the House and Senate GOP against each other and watch them flail around until Wednesday or so, then demand a clean debt-ceiling bill tied to a clean CR with a promise to talk about the budget, and he'll get it.

The GOP is not going to get ANYTHING out of this fiasco except a huge black eye.
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Re: CNN...Obama, Boehner negotiations at standstill
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2013, 03:02:23 PM »
Yep.  Obama's in the driver's seat now.  He can play the House and Senate GOP against each other and watch them flail around until Wednesday or so, then demand a clean debt-ceiling bill tied to a clean CR with a promise to talk about the budget, and he'll get it.

The GOP is not going to get ANYTHING out of this fiasco except a huge black eye.


Yes, maybe so, but you are also the guy who claimed, So the only alteration to Obamacare is the repeal of the medical device tax, which the GOP could have had on September 28 and avoided the shutdown completely., which is completely contradicted by the historical record.

So why should anyone but into what you are peddling now...or ever?
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