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Flesh eating drug ("krokodil") makes appearance in Joliet, Ill.
« on: October 11, 2013, 05:21:01 AM »
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Re: Flesh eating drug ("krokodil") makes appearance in Joliet, Ill.
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2013, 05:25:39 AM »
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Re: Flesh eating drug ("krokodil") makes appearance in Joliet, Ill.
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2013, 05:39:40 PM »
Maybe someone will send some to Nazi Pelosi and Harry Reid. :patriot: :seeya:
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Re: Flesh eating drug ("krokodil") makes appearance in Joliet, Ill.
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2013, 06:06:36 PM »
Aren't there enough real drugs out there anymore?

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Re: Flesh eating drug ("krokodil") makes appearance in Joliet, Ill.
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2013, 06:42:57 PM »


DO NOT GOOGLE THIS! The tamest pictures are horrific.

That was a Dirty-Double-Dog-Dare, wasn't it?
I wonder when the lies will stop and truth begin, even as grim as the truth may be. And then I remember that for 70 years, the reign of terror in Russia called itself "the people's government." We have so far to fall, yet we are falling fast and Hell yawns to receive us.

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Re: Flesh eating drug ("krokodil") makes appearance in Joliet, Ill.
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2013, 06:45:08 PM »
So..............do I understand this right?

People are doing this to themselves on purpose??   **nononono*
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Re: Flesh eating drug ("krokodil") makes appearance in Joliet, Ill.
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2013, 11:08:06 PM »
That was a Dirty-Double-Dog-Dare, wasn't it?

Would I do that to you?   :whistle:

So..............do I understand this right?

People are doing this to themselves on purpose??   **nononono*

Yep. Some people will do anything to escape, and junkies are not what you'd call good at long term planning.
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2013, 02:22:23 AM »
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2013, 05:04:26 AM »
My intention is not to open a can of worms here, BUT, this kind of self-abuse is the result of drug prohibition.

I will now draw a warm bath and await the onslaught.
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2013, 05:12:53 AM »
You have to be kidding. It's bad enough now, but once the Government get their mitts on it and start taxing? Have you seen the prices of the two legal addictive substances lately? I'm spending $20 per day on cigs already, I don't need the cost of the odd joint to skyrocket as well.  :laugh:
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2013, 05:32:46 AM »
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Re: Flesh eating drug ("krokodil") makes appearance in Joliet, Ill.
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2013, 08:17:49 AM »
Aren't there enough real drugs out there anymore?
You'd think so, wouldn't you? I'll pass on the paint thinner "high," thanks.
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2013, 08:19:47 AM »
Aren't there enough real drugs out there anymore?

Drug addicts make and use this stuff because it gives a heroine like euphoria, but for a fraction of the cost. You can pretty easily make this stuff with cheap, everyday things you have laying around your house. The part where it causes necrosis doesn't matter to them, because for a drug addict all that matters is the here and now.
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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2013, 09:31:55 AM »

Yep. Some people will do anything to escape, and junkies are not what you'd call good at long term planning.

I guess you're right.

But even for a junkie, taking a drug that eats your flesh seems a bit beyond the proverbial pale......
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Re: Flesh eating drug ("krokodil") makes appearance in Joliet, Ill.
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2013, 09:42:25 AM »
As a public service to both members and guests:

DO NOT GOOGLE THIS! The tamest pictures are horrific.

 I just went to the link to watch the video, and the images aren't bad at all--this is a clip that went on a local TV  newscast.   The video itself is quite instructive--I would recommend everyone who is curious about this problem to watch it.

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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2013, 09:50:10 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2013, 10:03:26 AM »
I am going to agree and disagree, my friend. This applies to hard core addicts, not casual users.

It's a fairly open secret that I am an alcoholic. Different drug, same mechanism. Addiction isn't something that may be cured. Only controlled, and only if the sufferer wants to do so. Most, simply, do not. My friends at AA/NA say the same thing. The impulse is always there. Sometimes it sleeps for a while, but the bugger always wakes up again, usually at the worst possible time.

Now, should we criminalize drug users? I do not think so, unless they are an active danger to themselves and those around them. Will they consent to learn to control their addiction? Not until they are ready.

Casual users, the ones who can take it or leave it - who cares? Let them take the odd hit if it makes them feel better.
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Re: Flesh eating drug ("krokodil") makes appearance in Joliet, Ill.
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2013, 11:25:10 AM »
You'd think so, wouldn't you? I'll pass on the paint thinner "high," thanks.

You can actually get that one working for a living. LOL

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Re: Flesh eating drug ("krokodil") makes appearance in Joliet, Ill.
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2013, 11:32:41 AM »
Drug addicts make and use this stuff because it gives a heroine like euphoria, but for a fraction of the cost. You can pretty easily make this stuff with cheap, everyday things you have laying around your house. The part where it causes necrosis doesn't matter to them, because for a drug addict all that matters is the here and now.

First impression is these people have more of a stainless steel addiction rather than an actual drug addiction.  Those that live for the rush, regardless of what's going into the vein.  For most of these there is no hope at all, not that there is a lot for the real drug users either.

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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2013, 12:06:27 PM »

Exactly! You and the vast majority of people will pass on using any drug whether prohibited or not.

So, let's remove prohibition, institute treatment in it's place and empty overcrowded jails of nonviolent drug "criminals."


I completely agree with you. They have shown that the war on drugs has pretty much been a failure. When lots and lots of people want an illegal product, like pot, the demand for it simply goes up when they throw the dealers in prison. When the demand goes up, it makes the product more expensive, which makes it even more profitable to be a drug dealer. Once it becomes more profitable, more, new dealers are going to pop up all over the place and bring the demand back down. The only way you're going to kill the black market is to make what they are supplying legal and treat the problems it causes to the minority of people that are doing them whether it is legal or not.

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Re: Flesh eating drug ("krokodil") makes appearance in Joliet, Ill.
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2013, 12:25:00 PM »
I completely agree with you. They have shown that the war on drugs has pretty much been a failure. When lots and lots of people want an illegal product, like pot, the demand for it simply goes up when they throw the dealers in prison. When the demand goes up, it makes the product more expensive, which makes it even more profitable to be a drug dealer. Once it becomes more profitable, more, new dealers are going to pop up all over the place and bring the demand back down. The only way you're going to kill the black market is to make what they are supplying legal and treat the problems it causes to the minority of people that are doing them whether it is legal or not.

And legalizing alcohol and tobacco has accomplished what besides feeding the government coffers?  Don't both of those rank pretty high on the cause of death lists in the US?

   

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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2013, 12:43:06 PM »
And legalizing alcohol and tobacco has accomplished what besides feeding the government coffers?  Don't both of those rank pretty high on the cause of death lists in the US?

 

Well, the organized crime gangs that made all of their money off selling booze illegally went away. Also, saying alcohol and tobacco are bad for you but still legal is not a justification for keeping drugs that are not as bad for you as those illegal.
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« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2013, 01:44:21 PM »
Well, the organized crime gangs that made all of their money off selling booze illegally went away. Also, saying alcohol and tobacco are bad for you but still legal is not a justification for keeping drugs that are not as bad for you as those illegal.

There is no such thing as a safe drug, they all cause problems.  Pot is always touted as being "safer" than alcohol.  I think much of that is purely a numbers game anyway since there are far more drinkers than pot smokers.  Pot is often labeled as 'natural', well, so are poppies, coca, mushrooms, peyote, hell a good southern sour mash starts with corn.

Don't know what the solution is but legalizing is not really viable.  We don't need another version of Switzerland's Needle Park in this county.

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« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2013, 01:53:22 PM »
There is no such thing as a safe drug, they all cause problems.  Pot is always touted as being "safer" than alcohol.  I think much of that is purely a numbers game anyway since there are far more drinkers than pot smokers.  Pot is often labeled as 'natural', well, so are poppies, coca, mushrooms, peyote, hell a good southern sour mash starts with corn.

Don't know what the solution is but legalizing is not really viable.  We don't need another version of Switzerland's Needle Park in this county.

It's impossible to overdose on pot. There is not a single recorded death that was solely caused my marijuana use. It has been proven that it doesn't actually cause cancer, and it has also been proven that it does not actually cause any kind of brain damage. They can even make breathalyzers to test for it. Alcohol and tobacco use are among the leading causes of death in the United States. It's not even close, not by a long shot. As far as pot in particular goes, it is not even remotely close to as bad as tobacco or alcohol.

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Re: Flesh eating drug ("krokodil") makes appearance in Joliet, Ill.
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2013, 02:06:44 PM »
There is no such thing as a safe drug, they all cause problems.  Pot is always touted as being "safer" than alcohol.  I think much of that is purely a numbers game anyway since there are far more drinkers than pot smokers.  Pot is often labeled as 'natural', well, so are poppies, coca, mushrooms, peyote, hell a good southern sour mash starts with corn.

Don't know what the solution is but legalizing is not really viable.  We don't need another version of Switzerland's Needle Park in this county.

Legalizing drugs will make their use even more wide spread and acceptable.

Do we really want younger and younger kids, and more and more people on hard drugs?

You're right.

NOT a viable solution.
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