America Will Self-Correct from the Mistake of Obama

[Bigun]

The Chinese dynasty lasted for millenia. The British Crown is over 1000 years old, although its territory has changed. Byzantium defended itself successfully for over 1000 years. Sure, many of the great empires like Greece and Rome may have fallen in fairly short order, but many others did not. As dumb as America has become, it is not necessarily even close to our end. We have been around as an independent nation a mere 237 years. Even the Roman Empire lasted over 500.

Alas, the people must change-- reawaken, if you will-- for there to be hope. Can it self-correct from Obama? They had their chance last year and elected more of the same. These idiots will get what they deserve, but a lot of innocent people who tried to warn them will, to the glee of the idiots, also get caught in the crossfire. We do, however, have term limits that are going to be darn near impossible to overturn at this stage.

It will take a reassessment of what is truth. It will need to rebuke the corruption in sciences, education and media that serve as arbiters of fact. It will need to reject identity politics-- the idea that you vote based on your gender, skin color, ethnicity or other factors other than clear judgment of the facts. Most importantly, it will need to unite. A house divided amongst itself cannot stand, Jesus once said. The idea of class warfare, vengeance and envy of one's fellow man must stop.

I can't say for certain that we will self-correct. The peer pressure of the world may be too great at this stage for a republic to stand on its own. Yet the death and decline of the United States is NOT a foregone conclusion at this stage.

Not yet! But if the process has not begun within another generation it's over I think.

[DCPatriot]

Always wondered if senior citizens during Wilson's Administration...or even FDR's long regine...if they too thought our Republic had been lost.

Whatever comes out of this.....the country will be unrecognizable.

[aligncare]

We may not be close to our end, but we are far from the nation my parents and I came to in 1956.

Fifty-seven years from now what will the nation be like? Will the constitution be a half remembered relic in an obscure crypt, and original intent be merely an artifact of American history? Or will "we the people" have taken back our government to live the great truth contained in the Declaration of Independence that Abraham Lincoln reminded the nation of when he said, "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

[musiclady]

Pardon my ignorance if this is a dumb question, but is Kevin Jackson "trueblackman" from FR?

[Bigun]

We may not be close to our end, but we are far from the nation my parents and I came to in 1956.

Fifty-seven years from now what will the nation be like? Will the constitution be a half remembered relic in an obscure crypt, and original intent be merely an artifact of American history? Or will "we the people" have taken back our government to live the great truth contained in the Declaration of Independence and that Abraham Lincoln reminded the nation of when he said, "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

As I have said previously on this forum, the undermining of the Republic has been going on for a LONG time now (from the beginning really). It started in earnest when many leaders of the failed socialist revolutions revolutions that occurred in Europe in 1848 (the 48ers) arrived on our shore and became politically active. By 1865 the Republic we had been given had been converted to the mercantile empire we now enjoy. Everything has gone generally downhill since. 

[Bigun]

Pardon my ignorance if this is a dumb question, but is Kevin Jackson "trueblackman" from FR?

I'm not certain of it but I thinks so.
 

[musiclady]

I'm not certain of it but I thinks so.

I know his name is Kevin, and this seems like something he might write, so I wondered.

I'm not as optimistic about America as he is.

I think we may have turned a corner from which we cannot return.

[DCPatriot]

I know his name is Kevin, and this seems like something he might write, so I wondered.

I'm not as optimistic about America as he is.

I think we may have turned a corner from which we cannot return.

Not until the Department of Education is dissolved....not until we get control of the curriculum our future generations are being taught will we have "turned the corner".

[musiclady]

Not until the Department of Education is dissolved....not until we get control of the curriculum our future generations are being taught will we have "turned the corner".

I was saying that the corner we have turned is the turn in the wrong direction.

I'm not sure we can return from the mess that Obama has cemented during his 5 years, and what's coming.

I'm not optimistic, even with dissolving the DoE, because we have generations of leftist teachers and indoctrinated students.

It will take decades to recover, even under the best case scenario, IMO.

[DCPatriot]

I was saying that the corner we have turned is the turn in the wrong direction.

I'm not sure we can return from the mess that Obama has cemented during his 5 years, and what's coming.

I'm not optimistic, even with dissolving the DoE, because we have generations of leftist teachers and indoctrinated students.

It will take decades to recover, even under the best case scenario, IMO.

Under my scenario, unless every teacher passed an evaluation test, they'd be gone our of the classrooms and then they'd have to get a job putting stickers on fruit.

[musiclady]

Under my scenario, unless every teacher passed an evaluation test, they'd be gone our of the classrooms and then they'd have to get a job putting stickers on fruit.

It would only work if part of the evaluation test made sure they weren't a brainwashed leftist.

I think that would keep about 2% of the current teaching force away from produce.......

[R4 TrumPence]

I'm not certain of it but I thinks so.

Not the same Kevin.  I can't think of Trueblackman's last name though, senior moment...LOL  My husband and I hung out with Kevin several times at events on the east coast over the years.

[R4 TrumPence]

Here is FR's Kevin:

http://www.nationalcenter.org/bios/P21Speakers_MartinK.html

[Bigun]

Here is FR's Kevin:

http://www.nationalcenter.org/bios/P21Speakers_MartinK.html

OK! Thanks!

I couldn't, for the life of me, pull out the last name either!

[musiclady]

Here is FR's Kevin:

http://www.nationalcenter.org/bios/P21Speakers_MartinK.html

Thanks from me, too!

(Too many seniors all in the same room!  )

[Fishrrman]

[[ It will need to reject identity politics-- the idea that you vote based on your gender, skin color, ethnicity or other factors other than clear judgment of the facts. ]]

Your notion here is noble, indeed.

But it bears no relationship at all - NONE - to the reality of the human condition.

When, in human history, have peoples of different skin color, ethnicity and "other factors" lived and voted together in harmony?

Do you really expect this can or will happen because we _want_ it to happen?

On the contrary, when peoples of different skin color, ethnicity and "other factors" end up in one place, they either fight (often brutally) or must be forced to submit to authoritarian control to live together without fighting (witness Tito's Yugoslavia -- how long did that last once communism was overthrown?).

Fishrrman's credo of conservatism:
Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be.

Identity politics is a result. It is not a causal factor.

Again -- do you really expect what you promulgated above to happen, simply because we want it to happen?