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An honorable shutdown exit for the GOP and President Obama.
« on: October 04, 2013, 10:19:53 AM »
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Re: An honorable shutdown exit for the GOP and President Obama.
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2013, 10:33:42 AM »
And the political irony is that instead of learning about the glitches and problems of the health law's rollout this week, the public is hearing only about the GOP willingness to punish other Americans to get rid of ObamaCare.

Who, exactly, is being "punished" by closing nonessential government services?  Certainly not the taxpayers.  And if the services are "nonessential" then I daresay the only persons being "punished" are the make-work public employees who occupy needless jobs.

The fact that this comes from WSJ indicates that the GOP House members are willing to stare down Wall Street on behalf of Main Street.

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Re: An honorable shutdown exit for the GOP and President Obama.
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2013, 10:55:52 AM »
The fact is, the Republicans aren't even trying to delay Obamacare anymore.  Now, they're focused on getting spending cuts and entitlement reform out of the debt ceiling-CR deal.

In other words, Cruz dragged the GOP into an unnecessary shutdown confrontation, which they've lost.  And, had this not happened, the failed opening of the implementation of Obamacare would be the headline.

There is the chance, of course, that they'll get nothing.  Boehner's already said he's going to raise the debt ceiling, with or without a deal.
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Re: An honorable shutdown exit for the GOP and President Obama.
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2013, 11:11:28 AM »
"Glitches and problems" with the roll-out of Obamacare are not going to do anything to harm the program - and whatever bit of coverage they get, which will not be critical of the plan's goals anyway, is not going to do anything to harm the program.  It will merely cause more money and effort to be expended to fix those glitches.  And none of that process will harm Obama or Democrats in the least...the coverage would be how they're trying to help people.  This idea that a shutdown, that impacts almost no one anywhere outside D.C., is letting Obamacare skate is just plain stupid...a non-sequitur. 
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Re: An honorable shutdown exit for the GOP and President Obama.
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2013, 11:21:55 AM »
Wall Street is terrified of the potential impact of this on stock prices...particularly the debt ceiling fight...so they're trying to signal that worry with a vague suggestion of entitlement and spending reforms, which will be steamrolled by Obamacare in the years to come anyway.  Wall Street like any junky needs ever increasing hits of stimulus to prop itself upright.  All those pension investments, the institutional ones, will quickly collapse into insolvency without them...yet another Ponzi rearing its head.  Wall Street is no longer buttressed or reflective of the Main Street economy, it is solely dependent on debt and stimulus from Washington.
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Re: An honorable shutdown exit for the GOP and President Obama.
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2013, 11:27:21 AM »
If Obama could create another financial crisis like the one that suddenly appeared sixty days out of the 2008 election....he'd do it.

He needs a replacement for George Bush to blame.   The current group of House Republicans will be blamed for crashing the market and the economy.

Obama is cold-blooded when it comes to bringing down our system....anything goes and the more hurt the people feel. his attitude is,  "Good.  It's about time!  How does it feel?"
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Re: An honorable shutdown exit for the GOP and President Obama.
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2013, 11:39:30 AM »
"Glitches and problems" with the roll-out of Obamacare are not going to do anything to harm the program - and whatever bit of coverage they get, which will not be critical of the plan's goals anyway, is not going to do anything to harm the program.  It will merely cause more money and effort to be expended to fix those glitches.  And none of that process will harm Obama or Democrats in the least...the coverage would be how they're trying to help people.  This idea that a shutdown, that impacts almost no one anywhere outside D.C., is letting Obamacare skate is just plain stupid...a non-sequitur.

Absolutely!  I couldn't agree more!

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Re: An honorable shutdown exit for the GOP and President Obama.
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2013, 11:57:54 AM »
Wall Street is terrified of the potential impact of this on stock prices...particularly the debt ceiling fight...so they're trying to signal that worry with a vague suggestion of entitlement and spending reforms, which will be steamrolled by Obamacare in the years to come anyway.  Wall Street like any junky needs ever increasing hits of stimulus to prop itself upright.  All those pension investments, the institutional ones, will quickly collapse into insolvency without them...yet another Ponzi rearing its head.  Wall Street is no longer buttressed or reflective of the Main Street economy, it is solely dependent on debt and stimulus from Washington.

Main Street bailed on Wall Street in 2008, and for the most part that money remains on the sidelines.  The typical small business operator is heavily invested into his own working capital, and has spent the last several years paring away at any debt in order not to be beholden to Wall Street or bankers.  Those who do not have small businesses have diversified into precious metals, real estate, art, antiques and other more tangible assets.

Everyone outside of Wall Street and Washington realizes that to be invested in stocks or bonds is to be invested in OPapaDoc.  As you say, the two are inextricably locked together.  Therefore, whatever havoc ensues from debt default (in truth, it will be very little) will be deserved.
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Re: An honorable shutdown exit for the GOP and President Obama.
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2013, 01:39:28 PM »
The more the public learns about obama care and how the congress doesn't think it is good enough for them, the less they will like it. Additionally, I don't know many people that are very concerned about the 'unessential' parts of an out of control fed gov't being shut down. I say, steady as she goes.

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Re: An honorable shutdown exit for the GOP and President Obama.
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2013, 01:43:12 PM »
The more the public learns about obama care and how the congress doesn't think it is good enough for them, the less they will like it. Additionally, I don't know many people that are very concerned about the 'unessential' parts of an out of control fed gov't being shut down. I say, steady as she goes.

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