Obamacare can be defunded without Senate approval

[Bigun]

Where's the current GOP proposal to defund Obamacare?  The GOP is now down to delaying it.

That does not conflate to "...even the GOP has backed off attempting to do it." except perhaps very temporarily.

[sinkspur]

That does not conflate to "...even the GOP has backed off attempting to do it." except perhaps very temporarily.

Of course it does.  Look around.  No Republican, even Ted Cruz, is talking about defunding any  longer.

The GOP is losing this battle, Bigun.  The House followed Ted Cruz off the cliff. 

I'll bet they never make that mistake again.  Cruz has grand ideas but has proven to be a terrible strategist. 

By the way, where the hell IS Ted Cruz?  He was more than happy to be out front when he was getting publicity for his 21 hour speech.

[Bigun]

I'm sorry Sink but I simply cannot follow your line of reasoning! It simply doesn't compute!

[mystery-ak]

By the way, where the hell IS Ted Cruz?  He was more than happy to be out front when he was getting publicity for his 21 hour speech.

Exclusive–104,000 Strong: Tea Party Patriots Have Record Turnout for Cruz on Tele-Townhall
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,115219.0.html

[happyg]

Of course it does.  Look around.  No Republican, even Ted Cruz, is talking about defunding any  longer.

The GOP is losing this battle, Bigun.  The House followed Ted Cruz off the cliff. 

I'll bet they never make that mistake again.  Cruz has grand ideas but has proven to be a terrible strategist. 

By the way, where the hell IS Ted Cruz?  He was more than happy to be out front when he was getting publicity for his 21 hour speech.

I was on a tele Town Hall with Cruz on Wednesday at 8 PM, for nearly an hour, when I got caught off. He's out there with the people.

[GourmetDan]

Pease went on to say, “All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills. To fund anything, in this case Obamacare, first approval is required by the House of Representatives.”

I thought the ACA originated in the Senate?

How are the tax increases Constitutional then?

[sinkspur]

I was on a tele Town Hall with Cruz on Wednesday at 8 PM, for nearly an hour, when I got caught off. He's out there with the people.

He's out there with people who will give him their email address and help fund his future presidential campaign.

Now that he's backed the entire Republican party into a corner, he's selfishly feathering his own nest.

What are his ideas for getting out of this mess?  Continuing to offer weaker and weaker measures, showing the world that we're now at the point where we'll take the smallest bone Obama will throw us?

Pathetic.

[sinkspur]

I'm sorry Sink but I simply cannot follow your line of reasoning! It simply doesn't compute!

I'm not surprised.

[sinkspur]

I thought the ACA originated in the Senate?

How are the tax increases Constitutional then?

The House sent over a bill, Reid stripped everything out of it but the title, and the bill turned into the ACA.  That's perfectly constitutional.  The Republicans used to do it all the time when they owned both Houses of Congress.

[happyg]

He's out there with people who will give him their email address and help fund his future presidential campaign.

Now that he's backed the entire Republican party into a corner, he's selfishly feathering his own nest.

What are his ideas for getting out of this mess?  Continuing to offer weaker and weaker measures, showing the world that we're now at the point where we'll take the smallest bone Obama will throw us?

Pathetic.

He did no such thing, and you know nothing about the man, except what you want to believe.  I guess he isn't limp wristed enough for you.

[EC]

He's out there with people who will give him their email address and help fund his future presidential campaign.

Now that he's backed the entire Republican party into a corner, he's selfishly feathering his own nest.

What are his ideas for getting out of this mess?  Continuing to offer weaker and weaker measures, showing the world that we're now at the point where we'll take the smallest bone Obama will throw us?

Pathetic.

It could be he is doing two things - both listening to the public and crowdsourcing ideas. It is a surprisingly effective technique.

[Bigun]

I'm not surprised.

I'm not either! My mind simply will not contort like yours does and I thank GOD for that!

[sinkspur]

It could be he is doing two things - both listening to the public and crowdsourcing ideas. It is a surprisingly effective technique.

He's listening to the same crowd that got us into this mess.  What new ideas did you hear last night for resolving this shutdown?

[happyg]

I'm not either! My mind simply will not contort like yours does and I thank GOD for that!

 

[sinkspur]

He did no such thing, and you know nothing about the man, except what you want to believe.  I guess he isn't limp wristed enough for you.

He's an opportunist.  Much like Barack Obama, he thinks six months in the Senate qualifies him for the Presidency. 

What new ideas did he have for resolving the shutdown?  Keep doing what we're doing and hope for the best?

[Bigun]

He's an opportunist.  Much like Barack Obama, he thinks six months in the Senate qualifies him for the Presidency. 

What new ideas did he have for resolving the shutdown?  Keep doing what we're doing and hope for the best?

Unlike you he is also a noted Constitutional scholar! He knows what he is doing!

[sinkspur]

Unlike you he is also a noted Constitutional scholar! He knows what he is doing!

He does? What is he doing? 

[Bigun]

Here is a link to a video of Ted Cruz's dad speaking! Watch it and tell me what he says that you disagree with!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0Ym4Xt0T6fM

[Bigun]

He does? What is he doing?

He's trying to save this once great republic! That's all! And, unlike you,  most people recognize the fact!

[musiclady]

He's trying to save this once great republic! That's all! And, unlike you,  most people recognize the fact!

I find it odd that sinkspur is blaming Ted Cruz for what Harry Reid and Barack Obama are doing.

[sinkspur]

He's trying to save this once great republic! That's all! And, unlike you,  most people recognize the fact!

What, exactly, is he doing? 

[sinkspur]

I find it odd that sinkspur is blaming Ted Cruz for what Harry Reid and Barack Obama are doing.

Reid and Obama are reacting to what Ted Cruz browbeat the House Republicans into doing.    Now that the government is shutdown, and his suggestions for resolving it have failed, what else is he doing to help bring it to an end?

[mystery-ak]

Reid and Obama are reacting to what Ted Cruz browbeat the House Republicans into doing.    Now that the government is shutdown, and his suggestions for resolving it have failed, what else is he doing to help bring it to an end?

Who says we need to bring it to an end.....?

[musiclady]

Who says we need to bring it to an end.....?

GOOD question.

[sinkspur]

Who says we need to bring it to an end.....?

The stock market is down 167 points as we speak.  Uncertainty comes at an economic cost.  If the Dow loses a thousand points, the pressure on Boehner to bring this to an end will be immense.