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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2013, 03:11:31 PM »
The GOP leadership team should have gamed this whole thing out. They should have anticipated that letting it go this far, puts Obama on the "bully-pulpit" everyday.

But wait. I believe the GOP leadership did intend to get something out of the budget showdown, but only what was consistent with holding a less-than-veto-proof majority of one house.

Along came the Cruz faction, and handed Obama his chance to shut down the govt. and blame it on Republicans.



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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2013, 03:12:11 PM »
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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2013, 03:13:33 PM »
The GOP leadership team should have gamed this whole thing out. They should have anticipated that letting it go this far, puts Obama on the "bully-pulpit" everyday.

But wait. I believe the GOP leadership did intend to get something out of the budget showdown, but only what was consistent with holding a less-than-veto-proof majority of one house.

Along came the Cruz faction, and handed Obama his chance to shut down the govt. and blame it on Republicans.

I think we get it, you do not like Ted Cruz.

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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2013, 03:36:53 PM »
I think we get it, you do not like Ted Cruz.
Any remarks on the substance of my comments?

FYI, I neither "like" or "dislike" Cruz. I'm considering the effectiveness of his actions.

You know, message vs. messenger, that sort of distinction. That sometimes requires holding two, somewhat contradictory ideas, in one's mind.
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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2013, 08:24:04 PM »
Any remarks on the substance of my comments?

FYI, I neither "like" or "dislike" Cruz. I'm considering the effectiveness of his actions.

You know, message vs. messenger, that sort of distinction. That sometimes requires holding two, somewhat contradictory ideas, in one's mind.

You and your sidekick here are both convinced this bill should become law. I am equally convinced it should not and if we don't stand on this hill and fight then the GOP might as well pack it in. I think Ted Cruz is great and wish we had dozens more like him in the senate.

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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2013, 08:28:47 PM »
You and your sidekick here are both convinced this bill should become law. I am equally convinced it should not and if we don't stand on this hill and fight then the GOP might as well pack it in. I think Ted Cruz is great and wish we had dozens more like him in the senate.

Obamacare IS law.  The only way to overturn it is to retake the Senate in 2014 and the White House in 2016.
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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2013, 08:34:39 PM »
Obamacare IS law.  The only way to overturn it is to retake the Senate in 2014 and the White House in 2016.

and that is the truth.. We need to live in the real world. I have a feeling that Ted Cruz mania will go down in a couple of years.
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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2013, 08:37:21 PM »
Any remarks on the substance of my comments?


Substance of your comments?

Haven't the "substance of your comments" been Beaten. To. Death. here already for the last week?   

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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2013, 08:37:33 PM »
and that is the truth.. We need to live in the real world. I have a feeling that Ted Cruz mania will go down in a couple of years.

I don't know about that.  Cruz is now in the pantheon of Tea Party Gods.  As with Sarah Palin, some will hang on his every word.
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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2013, 08:41:15 PM »
I don't know about that.  Cruz is now in the pantheon of Tea Party Gods.  As with Sarah Palin, some will hang on his every word.

True, but the path the Cruz and Palin is leading the Tea Party is not a good one.
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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2013, 08:46:08 PM »
True, but the path the Cruz and Palin is leading the Tea Party is not a good one.

Well, we'll see. As with everything else, if the GOP somehow comes out of this shutdown intact, it will be because of Ted Cruz.

If they crash and burn and lose the House next year, Cruz will be absolved of any blame whatsoever. 

It's great to be a Tea Party God.
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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2013, 08:48:20 PM »
Well, we'll see. As with everything else, if the GOP somehow comes out of this shutdown intact, it will be because of Ted Cruz.

If they crash and burn and lose the House next year, Cruz will be absolved of any blame whatsoever. 

It's great to be a Tea Party God.

True.... I think the GOP will come out ok on this.. This will not be the last CR, plus once Obamacare is in full effect, I think the people will be upset. But I could be wrong.
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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2013, 08:52:36 PM »
True, but the path the Cruz and Palin is leading the Tea Party is not a good one.

So what's your solution for a winning ticket???  Bush/Christie 2016???   :2barf:

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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2013, 08:54:31 PM »
So what's your solution for a winning ticket???  Bush/Christie 2016???   :2barf:

I don't know.. I'm more concerned about 2014 than 2016.. Right now I prefer Marco Rubio, Rick Perry, or Bobby Jindal.
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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2013, 08:54:43 PM »
Well, we'll see. As with everything else, if the GOP somehow comes out of this shutdown intact, it will be because of Ted Cruz.

If they crash and burn and lose the House next year, Cruz will be absolved of any blame whatsoever. 

It's great to be a Tea Party God.

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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2013, 09:01:13 PM »
True, but the path the Cruz and Palin is leading the Tea Party is not a good one.

According to you! I beg to differ!

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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2013, 09:25:12 PM »
It's great to be a Tea Party God.

No question about it. All we who approve of what Cruz is doing to save our medical choices and admire him for his courage are a bunch of brain dead robots.
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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2013, 09:32:01 PM »
You and your sidekick here are both convinced this bill should become law. I am equally convinced it should not and if we don't stand on this hill and fight then the GOP might as well pack it in. I think Ted Cruz is great and wish we had dozens more like him in the senate.
Please point out where I stated I'm convinced this bill should become law?

FYI the bill is already law. The issue is the annual budget.

I'm convinced the GOP was lured into doing what Obama and the dems want, namely setting the table for the 2014 midterms.

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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2013, 09:32:26 PM »
Well, we'll see. As with everything else, if the GOP somehow comes out of this shutdown intact, it will be because of Ted Cruz.

If they crash and burn and lose the House next year, Cruz will be absolved of any blame whatsoever. 

It's great to be a Tea Party God.
If they lose the House next year, it will be time to flee the country. One-party Democrat rule was exactly how we got into this mess in the first place.

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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2013, 09:34:51 PM »
Please point out where I stated I'm convinced this bill should become law?

FYI the bill is already law. The issue is the annual budget.

I'm convinced the GOP was lured into doing what Obama and the dems want, namely setting the table for the 2014 midterms.

2014 is a long way.. There will be other Debt Ceiling fights and CR fights I'm afraid..
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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2013, 09:37:10 PM »
If they lose the House next year, it will be time to flee the country. One-party Democrat rule was exactly how we got into this mess in the first place.

I don't think the Republicans will lose the House, but they could very well be blowing their chance at taking the Senate. 

But that doesn't matter to the Tea Party.  NOW is all they care about.  For some reason Ted Cruz and his followers think they can force Obama to gut the only achievement of his presidency.
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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2013, 09:39:36 PM »
I don't think the Republicans will lose the House, but they could very well be blowing their chance at taking the Senate. 

But that doesn't matter to the Tea Party.  NOW is all they care about.  For some reason Ted Cruz and his followers think they can force Obama to gut the only achievement of his presidency.

The key to get rid of Obama Care is win in 2014 and 2016.
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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2013, 09:50:20 PM »
The key to get rid of Obama Care is win in 2014 and 2016.

And something you, Sink, TS refuse to face is 2014 and especially 2016 is TOO LATE!  This will collapse, it was designed to collapse, but they are already collapsing the PRIVATE insurance sector and this is designed to result in a single payer system.  I take it the few of you pushing this actually think a single payer is good... trust me... it IS NOT.

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Re: Obama accuses GOP of 'ideological crusade' on healthcare, shutdown
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2013, 10:02:00 PM »
And something you, Sink, TS refuse to face is 2014 and especially 2016 is TOO LATE!  This will collapse, it was designed to collapse, but they are already collapsing the PRIVATE insurance sector and this is designed to result in a single payer system.  I take it the few of you pushing this actually think a single payer is good... trust me... it IS NOT.

So, how does this end, Rap?  If 2014 is too late, what happens next?
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